Hi Stefan;
I used it a few times back in the day (I've been using FM since v2) to create "insert" pages (for documents that were printed and stored in 3-ring binders). These pages would be updates to the existing document. That said, I have not used the feature in many years, and I'm not sure it is useful outside of a paper-based environment. I suppose one could create such a page as something to be inserted into a PDF, but I'd have to be convinced of the value of that in comparison to a linked list of changes. I'd much rather have an in-built tracking option that I could use to flag changes and be able to add an auto-generated list of changes chapter to a publication. (I see it as similar to the existing LOF/LOI functionality.)

Regards
Grant

------ Original Message ------
From: "Shmuel Wolfson" <[email protected]>
To: "Framers - frameusers.com" <[email protected]>
Sent: 4/25/2017 6:58:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Framers] "Secret" Freeze Pagination Feature

You understood me correctly, but the user should be able to define several styles.

As a take-off on your idea (of warning before printing), how about a way to check (via a menu command) if the TOC is out of sync, in addition to the warning before printing. However, this should include chapter TOCs as well. If your feature would work for mini-TOCs but not text inset TOCs, I guess that would be good enough, even though I have tons of docs that still use the text inset TOCs.

Another option would be to have a warning in the dialog box that opens after a book update that the TOC (and maybe LOF or LOT) has changes in chapter X, and that you should update the local TOC if one exists. This would be enough to address my issue of headings changing pages. Actually there is a potential problem with this solution that if you use only three heading levels in the TOC, but use four levels in the chapter TOC, it would be have check for that also.

Also, your idea does not address tables that have rows that move onto a new page. I think a warning as the table rows actually move to a new page would be a good idea for this problem.

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Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 25-Apr-17 3:15 PM, Stefan Gentz wrote:

Hi Shmuel,

thanks for your answer. I'm not sure if I completely understand the requirement. Do I understand right, that you would like to be able to define a specific style (e.g. "Heading1") in some sort of "Repagination Warning Setup" (dialog) and whenever you add or remove content somewhere that makes one of the paragraphs tagged with "Heading1" on some other page move to some other page you get a warning message? (Same for the table example you mentioned.)

Plus: I'm just wondering right now, if a feature that automatically warns you when you want to save as PDF / print that your automatically generated lists (TOC, IX etc.) are "out of sync" and recommends to update them. Would that be useful?

  Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist


-----Original Message-----
From: Framers [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 13:58
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Framers] "Secret" Freeze Pagination Feature

Hi Stefan,

Instead of freeze pagination, what I would like is a pagination warning. This feature would, when turned on, warn you when a paragraph with one of the user-specified specified styles moves to a new page, and when some rows of a table end up on a new page. This would be helpful when editing a doc, so that you know when the pagination changed and the TOC needs to be updated, or to look over the tables to see where rows moved to a new page. For extra credit, the feature would also provide a list of where these changes occurred. This would be a great help. Many times after a few edits, I find myself reviewing the entire doc to see where the headings appear and updating all the TOCs just in case a heading, table caption or figure caption, moved to a new page.

The current feature the way it is is pretty much useless to me.

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Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133



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