The other day I was going to write the name of Jordan Belson and the film *Demon Seed* but then I erased it.
Looks like it is another topic: avant-garde filmmakers working for the big budget film industry. Larry Cuba and *Star Wars* would also be on that other list. On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:01 PM scratch utopia <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jordan Belson created effects for Donald Cammell's *Demon Seed *(1977) > Not exactly low budget but could certainly be described as exploitation. > > Yoko Ono appeared in Michael Findlay's *Satan's Bed *(1965) > > For more info on that unlikely collaboration see Joan Hawkins' *Cutting > Edge: Art Horror and the Horrific Avant-garde, *University of Minnesota > Press. > > Sounds like an interesting project/ line of inquiry. > > Guy > > > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:00 PM <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Send Frameworks mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Frameworks digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: film & envrionmentalism (William Basquin) >> 2. Re: film & envrionmentalism (jjmartinod) >> 3. Re: You are now unsubscribed (Eric Theise) >> 4. Re: American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >> (jared ashburn) >> 5. Re: American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >> (John Sundholm) >> 6. Re: film & envrionmentalism (Quentin Darcq) >> 7. Re: American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >> (jared ashburn) >> 8. Re: virages (Esther Laurent-Baroux) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: William Basquin <[email protected]> >> To: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film Discussion >> List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 14:34:56 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >> >> Hi Matt, >> >> >> >> I'm interested in talking to you about this. >> >> >> >> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's Wilderness >> Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the field. >> >> >> >> -- Bill Basquin >> >> www.BillBasquin.info >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film Discussion >> List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >> >> >> Dear Folks, >> >> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of >> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers >> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their >> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world. >> >> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be helpful. >> The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by artists >> working in most mediums. >> >> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage point, >> looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from tje >> artists themselves. >> >> thank you always, >> Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: jjmartinod <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected], [email protected] >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 15:25:55 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >> I second that opinion on Robert's methods. >> >> >> >> - >> >> >> Enviado desde ProtonMail móvil >> >> >> >> -------- Mensaje original -------- >> On 9 de noviembre de 2021 9:34 a. m., William Basquin < >> [email protected]> escribió: >> >> >> Hi Matt, >> >> >> >> I'm interested in talking to you about this. >> >> >> >> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's Wilderness >> Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the field. >> >> >> >> -- Bill Basquin >> >> www.BillBasquin.info >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film Discussion >> List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >> >> >> Dear Folks, >> >> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of >> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers >> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their >> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world. >> >> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be helpful. >> The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by artists >> working in most mediums. >> >> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage point, >> looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from tje >> artists themselves. >> >> thank you always, >> Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Eric Theise <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected], Experimental Film Discussion List < >> [email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:23:12 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] You are now unsubscribed >> I'm not the one who subscribed Frameworks to the Fracto list. >> >> I'm not the one who unsubscribed Frameworks from the Fracto list. >> >> But now that I'm aware there's a Fracto list, all the clicking and >> infinite scrolling in the world doesn't seem to expose a link at >> fractofilm.com where an individual can subscribe. Max? >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: jared ashburn <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:30:03 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a list. >> Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of David >> E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los >> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor >> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman >> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the >> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found >> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful >> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the >> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am >> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA >> >> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B >> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s: >> >> *Pat O'Neil * >> >> *Curtis Harrington* >> >> *Nathaniel Dorsky* >> >> *Morgan Fisher* >> >> *Jerry Abrams* >> >> *Peggy Ahwesh* >> >> *Jerome Hiler* >> >> *Betzy Bromberg* >> >> *Hy Hirsh* >> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in >>> Standard Gauge. >>> M >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Off the top of my head: >>>> >>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was >>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending >>>> on whom you ask. >>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973) >>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well). >>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams >>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't >>>> recall the title. >>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't >>>> know the titles. >>>> >>>> There are surely lots more… >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also >>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s and >>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production... >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Jared >>>>> -- >>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> @xenopraxis <https://twitter.com/xenopraxis> >>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/> >>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/> >>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/> >>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: John Sundholm <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:40:03 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >> One more: Carl Linder >> >> >> 9 nov. 2021 kl. 18:31 skrev jared ashburn <[email protected]>: >> >> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a list. >> Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of David >> E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los >> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor >> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman >> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the >> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found >> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful >> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the >> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am >> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA >> >> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B >> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s: >> >> *Pat O'Neil * >> >> *Curtis Harrington* >> >> *Nathaniel Dorsky* >> >> *Morgan Fisher* >> >> *Jerry Abrams* >> >> *Peggy Ahwesh* >> >> *Jerome Hiler* >> >> *Betzy Bromberg* >> >> *Hy Hirsh* >> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in >>> Standard Gauge. >>> M >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Off the top of my head: >>>> >>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was >>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending >>>> on whom you ask. >>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973) >>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well). >>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams >>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't >>>> recall the title. >>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't >>>> know the titles. >>>> >>>> There are surely lots more… >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also >>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s and >>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production... >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Jared >>>>> -- >>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> @xenopraxis <https://twitter.com/xenopraxis> >>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/> >>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/> >>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/> >>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Quentin Darcq <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:47:50 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >> Some resources: >> >> >> https://www-filmlabs-org.translate.goog/wiki/fr/ashes_plants_principles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=nui >> >> https://www.filmlabs.org/wiki/fr/ashes_plants_principles >> >> http://www.handmadefilm.org/writings/emulsionThoughts.html >> >> >> https://www.filmlabs.org/docs/J-Etudes-Rennes/04-Noelie_Martin_Emulsions_artisanales_et_ecofeminisme.mp3 >> (in French) >> >> -- Quentin Darcq >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:37 PM William Basquin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm interested in talking to you about this. >>> >>> >>> >>> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's >>> Wilderness Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the >>> field. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Bill Basquin >>> >>> www.BillBasquin.info >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film Discussion >>> List <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >>> >>> >>> Dear Folks, >>> >>> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of >>> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers >>> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their >>> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world. >>> >>> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be >>> helpful. The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by >>> artists working in most mediums. >>> >>> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage >>> point, looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from >>> tje artists themselves. >>> >>> thank you always, >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: jared ashburn <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:58:19 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >> Excellent! Thank you, John. -JA >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 11:41 AM John Sundholm <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> One more: Carl Linder >>> >>> >>> 9 nov. 2021 kl. 18:31 skrev jared ashburn <[email protected]>: >>> >>> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a >>> list. Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of >>> David E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los >>> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor >>> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman >>> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the >>> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found >>> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful >>> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the >>> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am >>> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA >>> >>> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B >>> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s: >>> >>> *Pat O'Neil * >>> >>> *Curtis Harrington* >>> >>> *Nathaniel Dorsky* >>> >>> *Morgan Fisher* >>> >>> *Jerry Abrams* >>> >>> *Peggy Ahwesh* >>> >>> *Jerome Hiler* >>> >>> *Betzy Bromberg* >>> >>> *Hy Hirsh* >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in >>>> Standard Gauge. >>>> M >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Off the top of my head: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was >>>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending >>>>> on whom you ask. >>>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973) >>>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well). >>>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams >>>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't >>>>> recall the title. >>>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't >>>>> know the titles. >>>>> >>>>> There are surely lots more… >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also >>>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s >>>>>> and >>>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Jared >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> @xenopraxis <https://twitter.com/xenopraxis> >>>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/> >>>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/> >>>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/> >>>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Esther Laurent-Baroux <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:58:41 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] virages >> Hi Pip, >> >> I come back to you concerning virages. >> >> Do you know where I can find informations about it, like some people who >> show how to process it, or videos where you can see the result ? >> >> I searched on filmlabs.org but could'nt find anything. >> >> Cheers, >> Esther. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Frameworks <[email protected]> de la part de >> FrameWorks Admin <[email protected]> >> *Envoyé :* vendredi 5 novembre 2021 04:55 >> *À :* Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> *Objet :* Re: [Frameworks] virages >> >> Colorvir was great but it has been discontinued. You can now get Berg >> toners: >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=berg%20toner >> >> - Pip Chodorov >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2021, at 2:16 AM, Esther Laurent-Baroux < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> I was wondering where I can find some infos about virages for s8mm or >> 16mm. >> >> >> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> >> -- > Frameworks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org > -- http://albertalcoz.com/ <http://www.albertalcoz.com/>
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