Thank you Guy and Albert! I hadn't heard about Ono in "Satan's Bed" --I'm looking at Hawkins right now! Albert, yes this topic is pretty close to the other one that you mention and I am working on that too. Glad to hear that all of this makes sense! Thanks, again. -JA
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 7:19 AM Albert Alcoz <[email protected]> wrote: > The other day I was going to write the name of Jordan Belson and the film > *Demon Seed* but then I erased it. > > Looks like it is another topic: avant-garde filmmakers working for the big > budget film industry. > > Larry Cuba and *Star Wars* would also be on that other list. > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:01 PM scratch utopia <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Jordan Belson created effects for Donald Cammell's *Demon Seed *(1977) >> Not exactly low budget but could certainly be described as exploitation. >> >> Yoko Ono appeared in Michael Findlay's *Satan's Bed *(1965) >> >> For more info on that unlikely collaboration see Joan Hawkins' *Cutting >> Edge: Art Horror and the Horrific Avant-garde, *University of Minnesota >> Press. >> >> Sounds like an interesting project/ line of inquiry. >> >> Guy >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:00 PM <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Send Frameworks mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Frameworks digest..." >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: film & envrionmentalism (William Basquin) >>> 2. Re: film & envrionmentalism (jjmartinod) >>> 3. Re: You are now unsubscribed (Eric Theise) >>> 4. Re: American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >>> (jared ashburn) >>> 5. Re: American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >>> (John Sundholm) >>> 6. Re: film & envrionmentalism (Quentin Darcq) >>> 7. Re: American avant-garde filmmakers and exploitation >>> (jared ashburn) >>> 8. Re: virages (Esther Laurent-Baroux) >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: William Basquin <[email protected]> >>> To: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film Discussion >>> List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 14:34:56 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >>> >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm interested in talking to you about this. >>> >>> >>> >>> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's >>> Wilderness Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the >>> field. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Bill Basquin >>> >>> www.BillBasquin.info >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film Discussion >>> List <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >>> >>> >>> Dear Folks, >>> >>> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of >>> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers >>> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their >>> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world. >>> >>> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be >>> helpful. The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by >>> artists working in most mediums. >>> >>> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage >>> point, looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from >>> tje artists themselves. >>> >>> thank you always, >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: jjmartinod <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected], [email protected] >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 15:25:55 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >>> I second that opinion on Robert's methods. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> >>> Enviado desde ProtonMail móvil >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Mensaje original -------- >>> On 9 de noviembre de 2021 9:34 a. m., William Basquin < >>> [email protected]> escribió: >>> >>> >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm interested in talking to you about this. >>> >>> >>> >>> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's >>> Wilderness Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the >>> field. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Bill Basquin >>> >>> www.BillBasquin.info >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film Discussion >>> List <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >>> >>> >>> Dear Folks, >>> >>> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of >>> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers >>> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their >>> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world. >>> >>> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be >>> helpful. The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by >>> artists working in most mediums. >>> >>> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage >>> point, looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from >>> tje artists themselves. >>> >>> thank you always, >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Eric Theise <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected], Experimental Film Discussion List < >>> [email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:23:12 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] You are now unsubscribed >>> I'm not the one who subscribed Frameworks to the Fracto list. >>> >>> I'm not the one who unsubscribed Frameworks from the Fracto list. >>> >>> But now that I'm aware there's a Fracto list, all the clicking and >>> infinite scrolling in the world doesn't seem to expose a link at >>> fractofilm.com where an individual can subscribe. Max? >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:30:03 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and >>> exploitation >>> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a >>> list. Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of >>> David E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los >>> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor >>> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman >>> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the >>> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found >>> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful >>> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the >>> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am >>> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA >>> >>> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B >>> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s: >>> >>> *Pat O'Neil * >>> >>> *Curtis Harrington* >>> >>> *Nathaniel Dorsky* >>> >>> *Morgan Fisher* >>> >>> *Jerry Abrams* >>> >>> *Peggy Ahwesh* >>> >>> *Jerome Hiler* >>> >>> *Betzy Bromberg* >>> >>> *Hy Hirsh* >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in >>>> Standard Gauge. >>>> M >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Off the top of my head: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was >>>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending >>>>> on whom you ask. >>>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973) >>>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well). >>>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams >>>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't >>>>> recall the title. >>>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't >>>>> know the titles. >>>>> >>>>> There are surely lots more… >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also >>>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s >>>>>> and >>>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Jared >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> @xenopraxis <https://twitter.com/xenopraxis> >>>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/> >>>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/> >>>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/> >>>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: John Sundholm <[email protected]> >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:40:03 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and >>> exploitation >>> One more: Carl Linder >>> >>> >>> 9 nov. 2021 kl. 18:31 skrev jared ashburn <[email protected]>: >>> >>> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a >>> list. Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of >>> David E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los >>> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor >>> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman >>> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the >>> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found >>> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful >>> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the >>> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am >>> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA >>> >>> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, B >>> and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s: >>> >>> *Pat O'Neil * >>> >>> *Curtis Harrington* >>> >>> *Nathaniel Dorsky* >>> >>> *Morgan Fisher* >>> >>> *Jerry Abrams* >>> >>> *Peggy Ahwesh* >>> >>> *Jerome Hiler* >>> >>> *Betzy Bromberg* >>> >>> *Hy Hirsh* >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in >>>> Standard Gauge. >>>> M >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Off the top of my head: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was >>>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, depending >>>>> on whom you ask. >>>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973) >>>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well). >>>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams >>>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I can't >>>>> recall the title. >>>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't >>>>> know the titles. >>>>> >>>>> There are surely lots more… >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also >>>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s >>>>>> and >>>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Jared >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> @xenopraxis <https://twitter.com/xenopraxis> >>>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/> >>>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/> >>>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/> >>>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Quentin Darcq <[email protected]> >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:47:50 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >>> Some resources: >>> >>> >>> https://www-filmlabs-org.translate.goog/wiki/fr/ashes_plants_principles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=fr&_x_tr_pto=nui >>> >>> https://www.filmlabs.org/wiki/fr/ashes_plants_principles >>> >>> http://www.handmadefilm.org/writings/emulsionThoughts.html >>> >>> >>> https://www.filmlabs.org/docs/J-Etudes-Rennes/04-Noelie_Martin_Emulsions_artisanales_et_ecofeminisme.mp3 >>> (in French) >>> >>> -- Quentin Darcq >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:37 PM William Basquin < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Matt, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm interested in talking to you about this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You also might be interested in looking into Robert Schaller's >>>> Wilderness Filmmaking Trip in the Rockies - because of his methods in the >>>> field. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Bill Basquin >>>> >>>> www.BillBasquin.info >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Matt Shaw <[email protected]>, Experimental Film >>>> Discussion List <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Nov 9, 2021 6:27 AM >>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [Frameworks] film & envrionmentalism >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Folks, >>>> >>>> I'm looking for discussion resources around the sustainability of >>>> filming, cutting, and projecting on film. Preferably from filmmakers >>>> themselves who have a commitment to environemtental stewardship in their >>>> own lives—or whose work engages directly the more than human world. >>>> >>>> Writings, interviews, films that focus on other mediums could be >>>> helpful. The personal concerns I'm thinking of would be wrestled with by >>>> artists working in most mediums. >>>> >>>> So far, I have some eco-critical texts from an art history vantage >>>> point, looking primarily at extraction colonialism. Hoping for more from >>>> tje artists themselves. >>>> >>>> thank you always, >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:58:19 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] American avant-garde filmmakers and >>> exploitation >>> Excellent! Thank you, John. -JA >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 11:41 AM John Sundholm <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One more: Carl Linder >>>> >>>> >>>> 9 nov. 2021 kl. 18:31 skrev jared ashburn <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> OK, wow, this is great! Thank you for your replies--this is quite a >>>> list. Does anyone know if this history has been written about? I thought of >>>> David E. James and Paul Arthur and I looked at the chapter, "Narrating Los >>>> Angeles: Art Films and Independent Features," in James' book on minor >>>> cinemas in LA. He accounts, indirectly, for the point that David Sherman >>>> has made here by discussing exploitation films that exploited the >>>> counterculture and appropriated some styles, concepts, and techniques found >>>> in the New American Cinema and European art cinema. The chapter is useful >>>> for my research but I am looking for other articles that might address the >>>> history of this overlap more explicitly. If you think of something, I am >>>> all ears. Thank you, again, I am most appreciative. -JA >>>> >>>> List of American Avant-Garde filmmakers who also worked on low-budget, >>>> B and exploitation feature films in the 1960s and 70s: >>>> >>>> *Pat O'Neil * >>>> >>>> *Curtis Harrington* >>>> >>>> *Nathaniel Dorsky* >>>> >>>> *Morgan Fisher* >>>> >>>> *Jerry Abrams* >>>> >>>> *Peggy Ahwesh* >>>> >>>> *Jerome Hiler* >>>> >>>> *Betzy Bromberg* >>>> >>>> *Hy Hirsh* >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 10:23 PM Marc Couroux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes! Fisher mentions Messiah of Evil, and shows a frame of it in >>>>> Standard Gauge. >>>>> M >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Steve Polta <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Off the top of my head: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Nathaniel Dorsky: *Revenge of the Cheerleaders* (1976)—he was >>>>>> either director, co-writer, cinematographer or some combination, >>>>>> depending >>>>>> on whom you ask. >>>>>> 2) I've heard that Morgan Fisher was editor on *Messiah of Evil* (1973) >>>>>> although he is not credited (he appears as an actor as well). >>>>>> 3) Bay Area '60s filmmaker (who also did light shows) Jerry Abrams >>>>>> directed an exploitation doc on Bay Area porn culture of the '70s; I >>>>>> can't >>>>>> recall the title. >>>>>> 4) Peggy Ahwesh worked on-set on some George Romero films but I don't >>>>>> know the titles. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are surely lots more… >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 1:19 PM jared ashburn <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know of any American avant-garde filmmakers who also >>>>>>> worked on low-budget features, B or exploitation films in the late 60s >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> 70s? This could be in any area of production or post-production... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> Jared >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> @xenopraxis <https://twitter.com/xenopraxis> >>>>> xenaudial <https://xenaudial.wordpress.com/> >>>>> xenaudial (b/c) <https://xenaudial.bandcamp.com/> >>>>> The Occulture <http://www.theocculture.net/> >>>>> WKWYLF (vimeo) <https://vimeo.com/user9854186> >>>>> -- >>>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Esther Laurent-Baroux <[email protected]> >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:58:41 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] virages >>> Hi Pip, >>> >>> I come back to you concerning virages. >>> >>> Do you know where I can find informations about it, like some people who >>> show how to process it, or videos where you can see the result ? >>> >>> I searched on filmlabs.org but could'nt find anything. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Esther. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *De :* Frameworks <[email protected]> de la part de >>> FrameWorks Admin <[email protected]> >>> *Envoyé :* vendredi 5 novembre 2021 04:55 >>> *À :* Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >>> *Objet :* Re: [Frameworks] virages >>> >>> Colorvir was great but it has been discontinued. You can now get Berg >>> toners: >>> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=berg%20toner >>> >>> - Pip Chodorov >>> >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2021, at 2:16 AM, Esther Laurent-Baroux < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I was wondering where I can find some infos about virages for s8mm or >>> 16mm. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >>> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> > > > -- > http://albertalcoz.com/ <http://www.albertalcoz.com/> > -- > Frameworks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >
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