Mark, and CFS, are right about something here. "Analog film" may be redundant, but it may also be the best solution to a problem, and as it becomes used more often it becomes, linguistically speaking, correct.

Years ago, as "disrespected" began to be used commonly as a verb, it was objected that it was not a word. But it turns out to have been the best way of saying something, so now it is a word. If "analog film" is the best solution, fine, let's all use it. I don't have a strong opinion on how to solve this.

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/11/2022 12:49 PM, mrktosc wrote:
Yeah, Pip I think you’re definitely taking this too literally, particularly for 
an event which is clearly meant to positively celebrate the love for a medium 
(and congrats CFS for the effort!).

And if we want to be strict, “celluloid” is also not accurate, and pertains 
only to the nitrate era - but we still use it casually and gladly in referring 
to film.  So, like “celluloid”, the word “film” has for a while now come to be 
fairly medium-agnostic, and it has made sense in recent years to add the 
adjective “analog” to clarify, especially for younger enthusiasts for whom the 
material was never an everyday presence.  In their contemporary usage in this 
kind of context, at least in my view, both “analog” and “film” have 
implications that extend quite a bit beyond their historical and now more 
conservative uses.

And film as a process is analog - film hasn’t just rigidly meant the physical 
material in like 100 years… As a term it means much more than the flexible 
plastic material called film, and it’s this inclusive and complex sense of 
culture/medium/engagement that this festival is clearly meant to highlight.

Mark


On Jun 11, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote:

I agree that "analog" is redundant, and that electronically recorded video can be analog, but unfortunately 
just using "film" is now problematic, since an overwhelming shift in usage has it applying to digital video. 
Shooting digital video is now called "filming," and a video can be called a "film" We may not like 
this, but usage has made it correct.

My solution is to write "celluloid." One might write, "films printed on celluoloid," or, 
to be more restrictive, "films shot and printed on celluloid." It would be interesting to know if 
the festival will accept works shot on video but printed on celluloid, and designed that way, for the look 
of, for example, Pixelvision on celluloid. Such things exist.

I am all ears as to a better terminology solution.

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/11/2022 12:01 PM, FrameWorks Admin wrote:
Just a comment here: film is not analog. Film is a material. Whereas an audio 
or a video signal can be either analog or digital, it is a misnomer to say 
“analog film” or “digital film” - please just say film.
- Pip Chodorov


On Jun 11, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Julian Antos <[email protected]> wrote:
We're very pleased to announce our call for entries for CELLULOID NOW, a four 
day showcase of recent work and archival rediscoveries presented on analog 
film. More info below!
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