It seems like "analog" has come to mean simply NOT digital and, as Fred says, usage has now made this meaning correct.
In a way it recalls the use of the expression "silent movies" for pre-1929 films - a term which was also technically wrong but universally understood to mean films that did NOT feature recorded speech. Scott On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 19:25, Luke Aspell <[email protected]> wrote: > "Photochemical film" and filmmaking seems to be the most precise way of > saying what's meant here. > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mark, and CFS, are right about something here. "Analog film" may be >> redundant, but it may also be the best solution to a problem, and as it >> becomes used more often it becomes, linguistically speaking, correct. >> >> Years ago, as "disrespected" began to be used commonly as a verb, it was >> objected that it was not a word. But it turns out to have been the best >> way of saying something, so now it is a word. If "analog film" is the >> best solution, fine, let's all use it. I don't have a strong opinion on >> how to solve this. >> >> Fred Camper >> Chicago >> >> On 6/11/2022 12:49 PM, mrktosc wrote: >> > Yeah, Pip I think you’re definitely taking this too literally, >> particularly for an event which is clearly meant to positively celebrate >> the love for a medium (and congrats CFS for the effort!). >> > >> > And if we want to be strict, “celluloid” is also not accurate, and >> pertains only to the nitrate era - but we still use it casually and gladly >> in referring to film. So, like “celluloid”, the word “film” has for a >> while now come to be fairly medium-agnostic, and it has made sense in >> recent years to add the adjective “analog” to clarify, especially for >> younger enthusiasts for whom the material was never an everyday presence. >> In their contemporary usage in this kind of context, at least in my view, >> both “analog” and “film” have implications that extend quite a bit beyond >> their historical and now more conservative uses. >> > >> > And film as a process is analog - film hasn’t just rigidly meant the >> physical material in like 100 years… As a term it means much more than the >> flexible plastic material called film, and it’s this inclusive and complex >> sense of culture/medium/engagement that this festival is clearly meant to >> highlight. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > >> >> On Jun 11, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree that "analog" is redundant, and that electronically recorded >> video can be analog, but unfortunately just using "film" is now >> problematic, since an overwhelming shift in usage has it applying to >> digital video. Shooting digital video is now called "filming," and a video >> can be called a "film" We may not like this, but usage has made it correct. >> >> >> >> My solution is to write "celluloid." One might write, "films printed >> on celluoloid," or, to be more restrictive, "films shot and printed on >> celluloid." It would be interesting to know if the festival will accept >> works shot on video but printed on celluloid, and designed that way, for >> the look of, for example, Pixelvision on celluloid. Such things exist. >> >> >> >> I am all ears as to a better terminology solution. >> >> >> >> Fred Camper >> >> Chicago >> >> >> >>> On 6/11/2022 12:01 PM, FrameWorks Admin wrote: >> >>> Just a comment here: film is not analog. Film is a material. Whereas >> an audio or a video signal can be either analog or digital, it is a >> misnomer to say “analog film” or “digital film” - please just say film. >> >>> - Pip Chodorov >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Julian Antos < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> We're very pleased to announce our call for entries for CELLULOID >> NOW, a four day showcase of recent work and archival rediscoveries >> presented on analog film. More info below! >> >> -- >> >> Frameworks mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> >> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> > -- > Frameworks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org > -- 06.88.08.50.61
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