Celluloid, argentique, pellicule, 8mm - 16 mm - 35 mm … film, they all do the job as well.
Envoyé à partir de Courrier pour Windows De : Scott Hammen Envoyé le :samedi 11 juin 2022 20:21 À : Experimental Film Discussion List Objet :Re: [Frameworks] Celluloid Now Call for Entries It seems like "analog" has come to mean simply NOT digital and, as Fred says, usage has now made this meaning correct. In a way it recalls the use of the expression "silent movies" for pre-1929 films - a term which was also technically wrong but universally understood to mean films that did NOT feature recorded speech. Scott On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 19:25, Luke Aspell <[email protected]> wrote: "Photochemical film" and filmmaking seems to be the most precise way of saying what's meant here. On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: Mark, and CFS, are right about something here. "Analog film" may be redundant, but it may also be the best solution to a problem, and as it becomes used more often it becomes, linguistically speaking, correct. Years ago, as "disrespected" began to be used commonly as a verb, it was objected that it was not a word. But it turns out to have been the best way of saying something, so now it is a word. If "analog film" is the best solution, fine, let's all use it. I don't have a strong opinion on how to solve this. Fred Camper Chicago On 6/11/2022 12:49 PM, mrktosc wrote: > Yeah, Pip I think you’re definitely taking this too literally, particularly > for an event which is clearly meant to positively celebrate the love for a > medium (and congrats CFS for the effort!). > > And if we want to be strict, “celluloid” is also not accurate, and pertains > only to the nitrate era - but we still use it casually and gladly in > referring to film. So, like “celluloid”, the word “film” has for a while now > come to be fairly medium-agnostic, and it has made sense in recent years to > add the adjective “analog” to clarify, especially for younger enthusiasts for > whom the material was never an everyday presence. In their contemporary > usage in this kind of context, at least in my view, both “analog” and “film” > have implications that extend quite a bit beyond their historical and now > more conservative uses. > > And film as a process is analog - film hasn’t just rigidly meant the physical > material in like 100 years… As a term it means much more than the flexible > plastic material called film, and it’s this inclusive and complex sense of > culture/medium/engagement that this festival is clearly meant to highlight. > > Mark > > >> On Jun 11, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I agree that "analog" is redundant, and that electronically recorded video >> can be analog, but unfortunately just using "film" is now problematic, since >> an overwhelming shift in usage has it applying to digital video. Shooting >> digital video is now called "filming," and a video can be called a "film" We >> may not like this, but usage has made it correct. >> >> My solution is to write "celluloid." One might write, "films printed on >> celluoloid," or, to be more restrictive, "films shot and printed on >> celluloid." It would be interesting to know if the festival will accept >> works shot on video but printed on celluloid, and designed that way, for the >> look of, for example, Pixelvision on celluloid. Such things exist. >> >> I am all ears as to a better terminology solution. >> >> Fred Camper >> Chicago >> >>> On 6/11/2022 12:01 PM, FrameWorks Admin wrote: >>> Just a comment here: film is not analog. Film is a material. Whereas an >>> audio or a video signal can be either analog or digital, it is a misnomer >>> to say “analog film” or “digital film” - please just say film. >>> - Pip Chodorov >>> >>> >>>>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 1:33 PM, Julian Antos <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>> We're very pleased to announce our call for entries for CELLULOID NOW, a >>>> four day showcase of recent work and archival rediscoveries presented on >>>> analog film. More info below! >> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org -- Frameworks mailing list [email protected] https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org -- Frameworks mailing list [email protected] https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org -- 06.88.08.50.61
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