Ben Weinstein you better listen to Mr F Ross, otherwise you'll never work in this town again!
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Will Erokan <[email protected]> wrote: > Mr F Ross, which industry? The experimental film industry? > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM, chris bravo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> "It's a commonly accepted industry practice to shoot in HD, then >> downsample to SD, particularly for chroma key work" >> >> um. nope. >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Aaron F. Ross < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The level of technical ignorance displayed on this discussion list never >>> ceases to amaze me. VHS is much worse than 480p. You're lucky if you get an >>> effective resolution of 320 vertical columns on VHS. VHS = ~150,000 pixels, >>> 640x480 = 307,200, DVD/DV = 345,600. >>> >>> It's a commonly accepted industry practice to shoot in HD, then >>> downsample to SD, particularly for chroma key work. Most indie makers can't >>> afford 4:4:4 pro HD gear, so they shoot in HD, then knock the resolution >>> down to lossless 4:4:4 SD before cutting a key. This eliminates the color >>> sampling limitations of consumer HD gear & formats. This is the optimal >>> pipeline for no-budget VFX work. >>> >>> Downsampling after compositing will give some relief from the chroma >>> sampling limitations, but it's far better to downsample before compositing. >>> Just be sure that the downsampled footage is in a lossless format such as >>> Quicktime Animation. If you're tight on disk space, you can nest >>> compositions or timelines and render the composited SD footage directly, >>> with no intermediate. >>> >>> Aaron >>> >>> >>> >>> At 8/17/2013, you wrote: >>> >>>> Aaron F Ross... downsampling it to 480p is not the same as laying off >>>> to tape. It's like suggesting he hands out blurred glasses to anyone >>>> viewing the film. It's an interesting idea but not what he's asking for. >>>> >>>> Jeff Kreines... I agree with you about fixing the mistakes, but the >>>> cool part about laying off to tape and then viewing the results, is that >>>> laying off to tape and then recapturing the footage creates a copy of the >>>> footage, it doesn't modify the original. If he isn't satisfied with the >>>> results, he's free to try something else. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jeff Kreines <<mailto:[email protected] >>>> >jeff**@kinetta.com <[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey Im making a stopmotion video using adobe premiere and it looks >>>>> terrible because its HD and looks too crisp. You can see all the shitty >>>>> blue screening and whatnot so I want to convert it to VHS so the mistakes >>>>> don't look so obvious. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If you want less resolution just to mask the mistakes, why not fix the >>>> mistakes rather than make it all look like mush? >>>> >>>> Of course if you want it all to look mushy, why work in HD in the first >>>> place? A generation of VHS will do many things, some of which you may like >>>> and others you may not. Choice of format is important. >>>> >>>> Jeff Kreines >>>> Kinetta >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>jeff@**kinetta.com <[email protected]> >>>> <http://kinetta.com>kinetta.**com <http://kinetta.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> <mailto:FrameWorks@**jonasmekasfilms.com<[email protected]> >>>> >FrameWorks**@jonasmekasfilms.com <[email protected]> >>>> https://mailman-mail5.**webfaction.com/listinfo/**frameworks<https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ FrameWorks mailing >>>> list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.** >>>> webfaction.com/listinfo/**frameworks<https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------- >>> >>> Aaron F. Ross >>> Digital Arts Guild >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.**webfaction.com/listinfo/**frameworks<https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >
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