But Segal is so wrong: no narration begins 15 to 20 seconds *after* the next photograph appears; they all begin before. That's not a precision problem; that's a version problem. At least I think so. She can't have made this kind of mistake, no?
But now I have Premiere open and I'm measuring the audio and visual cuts… Back to you in a bit! j On Mar 4, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Michael Zryd <z...@yorku.ca> wrote: > I don’t think there are two distinct versions. I suspect (though to be honest > I haven’t used a stop watch to time it) that Shira may be ascribing a > precision to the film which it in fact lacks—though the ascription is > entirely understandable since, as a foundational ‘structural film’ using a > strategy of repetition, (nostalgia) invites an expectation that it’s all > worked out in advance, and that each unit is structurally consistent. > > But each photo burns differently (the photographic paper is likely > different), and (at least according to an analysis by Steina at the ZKM show > on Buffalo Media Study) each segment has a slightly different length. > > There’s an interesting study to be done on differing descriptions of > experimental films to explore the different ways in which we see, describe, > and interpret these works. > >> On Mar 4, 2016, at 2:31 PM, John Muse <jm...@sonic.net> wrote: >> >> But is the Treasures version the one Segal describes, and is that the, um, >> authorized version? And is the one on the Odyssey collection, which Brand >> worked on too, authorized as well? Are there two distinct versions >> circulating? >> >> I just had that Treasures comp in my hands, but I returned it to our >> library. Dang! >> >> j >> >> On Mar 4, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Mark Toscano <mrkt...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The transfer on the Treasures IV set was supervised by the inimitable Mr >>> Bill Brand, who knows the films intimately, and also has helped supervise >>> restorations and digital mastering of numerous other Frampton films. >>> >>> Mark T >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Ken Eisenstein <ken7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Cf. the version on Treasures >>> >>> http://www.filmpreservation.org/dvds-and-books/treasures-iv-american-avant-garde-film >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:06 PM, John Muse <jm...@sonic.net> wrote: >>> Having checked with the usual suspects, I'm at a loss to explain the >>> discrepancy between the version of (nostalgia) on the 2012 Criterion disk >>> and the version described by a few folks, one being Shari Segal, who in a >>> 2005 essay entitled From the Private to the Public" writes: >>> >>>> Each voice-over begins fifteen to twenty seconds after the new photograph >>>> appears, precisely the amount of time permitted before the photograph’s >>>> destruction visibly begins. >>> >>> This doesn't describe the voice-over to image relationship I see in the >>> 2012 disk. The voice-overs begin before the new image arrives, not 20 >>> seconds after. Is she wrong? Or did she see a different film? >>> >>> Clues? 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