I believe Laure Sainte-Rose did some work in this vein. If I remember right, I think she approached it in a manner similar to DTS for 35mm or 70mm, with an optical track containing a timecode signal connected to an external digital playback source of some kind. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, or provide more info- it was a really intriguing process.
Mark Toscano > On Dec 13, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Francisco Torres <[email protected]> wrote: > > which begs the question- are there are any double sound systems possible > today for 16 mm using standard projectors and some digital source? > > 2016-12-12 21:31 GMT-04:00 Kenneth Linehan <[email protected]>: >> Hi Morgan, >> >> If you’re looking to obtain a final screening print ( 16mm ) with sync >> sound, the primary format is optical sound track recording. There may be >> people experimenting with making their own home-brew magnetic tracks, but >> there’s little to no support for magnetic sound on 16mm these days. >> >> So, if you want to get an optical track made, you definitely can. >> >> There’s a lab in Canada that I’ve used recently to produce an optical >> negative and they did very good work. >> >> Regarding the overall workflow questions you had, if you use film scanning >> there are workflows that largely eliminate the need to use mag or a >> Steenbeck to produce your soundtrack. Not that I’m opposed to those things >> :) >> This or may not apply to your workflow, but hopefully it will give you some >> perspective on your options: >> >> Consider the possibility of having your film or negative scanned at 24fps ( >> progressive ). Although this may add some cost up front, the scan can be >> useful for many purposes not the least of which is facilitating digital >> sound workflow. Once your film is scanned at 24fps progressive, maintaining >> sound sync in the digital environment becomes much easier than with NTSC >> telecine processes. Note, if you need an NTSC end product, my approach may >> not totally suit you. >> >> Once you have your scan, import it as a quicktime movie into an audio >> editing application like ProTools/DigitalPerformer/etc. Create a sync beep >> and do all your overdub ( voice over ) in the audio app. Make sure the audio >> editor transport counter is operating at 24fps. Beep must be placed >> carefully. You can conform subsequent edits of scanned material in your >> audio editor very easily while still editing on film at the same time. You >> can conform edits on the fly as you work between film and digital >> simultaneously if necessary. >> >> You can then mix using your audio workstation and send the mixed audio file >> ( with sync beep ) to the optical sound lab and they will provide you an >> optical negative. That optical neg can then be married to the image negative >> in the final print by your lab. I used dropbox to transfer my mix to the lab >> in Canada. >> >> There are lots of details and particulars you must be attentive to, but >> that’s the overview. I’m happy to talk to you about it if you want to send >> me an email. Other people may have other approaches. You need to find the >> right mix of techniques for your personal process. >> >> Ken Linehan >> >> >> >>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello to all who still film and record to 16mm film (or any celluloid >>> format) >>> >>> I have an essay/diary that I'm filming with a few old 16mm Cine Kodak >>> cameras. I already have notes and images, but what needs to come next is a >>> voice over. Does anyone who has worked with 16mm sound know how I would go >>> about doing this? I'm more than happy to be corrected, but I have it >>> figured like this: I would record the to a magnetic reel, then I would >>> organize my footage and make a print out of my reels AND in coordination >>> with the dialog. But how would I go about putting the sound stock ONTO the >>> film? I know that I would have to use SINLGE PERF to leave room for the >>> sound tape. >>> >>> I think this is where I lose myself. Anyone have any ideas on where I >>> should start? >>> >>> I'm using black and white FYI. >>> >>> -Morgan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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