Apologies for the triple postings, but this is general enough
        for the -questions list and aimed at the gnome list.  It
        includes a query for the KDE list.

        I just opened a "konsole", the KDE-hacked xterm, IIRC.  I had the
        BEL set to "system bell" and as with "terminals", vi/vim/and
        other bell-type things just flashed the screen at me.  I do have
        full-screen flash set up in my Gnome menu settings.  Nothing I
        can do gets the .WAV bell to work under gnome.  Long-story-short,
        just for the heck of it, I tried the next "bell" selection and
        YES my bell is back when I use vi/nvi/vim.  It sounds a bit
        strange, but at least it is audible.  I watch my keyboard and
        fingers when I type--if I'm not coding--so hearing the bell when
        I type ESC lets me know absolutely that I'm in command mode.

        ,My questions: why does this fake (wav) bell work under KDE and
        not Gnome?  The desktop ports are pretty close to identical here
        (FBSD) as with the Ubuntu fork of Debian.  Just FYI.    Another 
        question is: why is the natural system spkr disabled in 
        at least the Gnome and KDE managers?  What was the rational?
        In other words, isn't there some default setting that could go
        into every /boot/loader.conf that would let both the external
        audio speakers and the dinky system speaker work?  The Linux
        kernel may not have this capability; I don't know.  That's why
        these questions.


        thanks for any insights, guys.  this is enough to make me want to
        jump back into serious hacking ...  well, almost:)

        gary



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  Gary Kline  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   www.thought.org  Public Service Unix

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