On Thursday 09 August 2007 06:22:26 Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows
Well, it's a very different thing. But it can do mostly the same tasks though (and many more). > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argument Everything that is sorta specialized has its jargon, especially something that is very technical, like an operating system. We do have a very good handbook though, which does a pretty good job to gently introduce all that jargon to people who want to know what it's all about. > that FreeBSD is a perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop > users who have previously known only Windows. It can be an acceptable alternative depending on what's considered acceptable, that is, what you want to do with it. I use it exclusively on my desktop. I'll admit that sometimes you may have to "hack around" a little though. But that's also the fun of it. I also do some programming specifically for the FreeBSD desktop. We surely need improvement there, of course we do, we're a volunteer project. But for me it's nice enough and if I want to I can control it to a level that Windows never allows a user to get to. If you're not a tinkerer you could try and see if you like PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. They are similar but "preconfigured" FreeBSD based operating systems. > For instance, if I download and install FreeBSD, will I instantly have a > desktop windowing environment that I can navigate in while I figure out You can have that if you select a desktop environment at install (e.g. KDE or GNOME). > what's going on? Will I have a browser and way to setup an internet Browser: yes, even many if you select many. > connection right off the bat? How will I migrate files from other Nowadays most people have DSL or cable and both come with a modem and/or router. If you are in the "sysinstall" installer and you have such a connection through DHCP it should instantly work. Otherwise, if for example behind a (or your own) firewall, at worst, you'd have to type an IP address, make up some computer name for it, and maybe type in the DNS addresses of your ISP. You'd need to do this too in windows. If you have a dial-in modem, I suggest you try installing KDE and use kppp to connect. > operating systems? It's possible to mount windows FAT and NTFS partitions and then copy the data over. Obviously if some data is dependent on a Microsoft program to be useful, we may not have an ability to load it into another equivalent program. But for most common formats, like most Office documents, this is no problem for software like OpenOffice or KOffice (perhaps some minor things need to be adjusted). > I understand you guys have been around for a while, but you don't seem > to understand the monumental "fear" involved in switching operating The "fear" is justified. Something else will always be, well, different :) > systems. You need to address those concerns head on from the start. I Like I said, the handbook does this quite well. It's still for the technically inclined, yes. That probably won't change, if only because at FreeBSD they like to give the user (which may also be a developer of course!) as much choice as [s]he needs. But you know what, all in all, I think to have a nice desktop on FreeBSD and have your network up and everything work, etc, and perhaps some multimedia hardware setup, all that is probably in less then 10 config files, which are all text, so once you read up on how to use them and all the possibilities they have (just focus on the ones you're interested in, I do that too), you have a lot of power on your hands. Is that user unfriendly or user-enabling? Again, depends on what you expect I guess. But I hope that you can understand that if this "enabling" wasn't there we wouldn't have the developer community that we have and need. > need to see several screenshots of apps that I can use as alternatives > to what I have. Generally, the screenshots you see from Linux distributions show the same programs that have been ported and thus run on FreeBSD. So that's your browser, email program, music player, etc. There's many of them. > Help me (and yourselves) out. Hope I did. It's not all that hard to give a to-the-point and honest answer. Now here's some food for thought for all the "advocates" who found it necessary to answer: It's apparently harder to shut your fat fucking face if you don't have anything useful to contribute. With the notable exceptions of Paul Schmehl, Mario Lobo and a few others, the majority of snide answers here are nothing short of disgraceful. Great way to chase folks away. It's immaterial if its flamebait or not. I for one *am* doing my best to make the FreeBSD desktop nicer and more "idiot-proof" (KDE in my case) and then to read juvenile remarks about how the console is the best thing since sliced bread and other stupid things, well, you know what? It's *you* who are gladly invited to fuck off and move on to something more esoteric if that's what makes you feel important as far as I'm concerned. Gentoo perhaps. Meanwhile, just let the people who *do* matter do their work and don't leave the impression that you are spokespersons for us. I'm not a spokesperson of FreeBSD but I can assure you that the folks who actually do stuff do care about the desktop and you're disgracing and discreding our work. Cheers, Dan _______________________________________________ email@example.com mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"