On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:05:19 +0200
Ralf Mardorf articulated:

> On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 06:21 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
> > Ralf Mardorf articulated:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > > > 
> > > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too.
> > > > Neither flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a
> > > > commercial, before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > > > 
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > > > 
> > > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or
> > > > gnash.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR
> > 
> > I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites
> > that utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy
> > Central" are just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use
> > my Windows PC or Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and
> > or Java "up-to-date" far easier.
> I never needed to use Windows, I could switch from the Atari ST to
> *nix around ten years ago, but since around 1½ years I need to run
> Windows in VBox. I planed to start making music on Friday, now it's
> Sunday noon and I still couldn't start, because I still need to fix
> issues. However, I experienced less issues with *nix software,
> usually I run into issues regarding to hardware. Fortunately I don't
> care about the flash issue, if tube videos don't work, I don't watch
> tube videos and if flash should be needed for something else on a
> homepage, it for sure isn't a homepage I want to visit. Usually web
> pages for *nix are programmed like http://www.freebsd.org/
> and very seldom like
> http://linux-audio.com/
> but even this site doesn't expect flash. Serious homepages, e.g. from
> departments, usually are good programmed and commercial homepages,
> e.g. from the porn industry, are usually bad programmed.
> If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better
> programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause,
> it's their task to fix their websites.

This site:
plays fine on Windows using either IE or Firefox. It also works on
Ubuntu. However, it bombs out with FreeBSD and Firefox. I haven't had
an opportunity to try it on a Linux system yet..

The bottom line is where exactly does the problem exist. FreeBSD users
love to blame everyone else for their problems; however, is that
actually the problem here or is it something else? Using Flash is way
harder than it needs to be on FreeBSD. You hear FreeBSD users who claim
that they never use Flash, which in itself is an interesting statement.
If it doesn't work, then obviously you cannot take advantage of it. I
suspect at least 50% of them are liars. The rest are more than likely
expressing their "sour-grapes" wrath.

The real goal should be to get it working and working correctly and as
easily as other Operating Systems have. The world is not going to adapt
to your specifications, you have to adapt to its or else fall by the

Jerry ♔

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