DK wrote:

--- Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All of these are available on FreeBSD too (except Mercury Mailserver,
which is just another Win32 MTA that I don't know about but somehow feel
reluctant to trust more than my Sendmail or Postfix installations).

Yes, but not as ONE nice Package:
apache+mod_perl-1.3.31 apache+mod_ssl+ipv6-1.3.31+2.8.18_4

I tried to install apache+mod_ssl+ipv6-1.3.31+2.8.18_4 THEN apache+mod_perl-1.3.31
and its messed up!!

Perhaps, in contradiction to Windows (in which you have to press : next next next okay and your software is installed) you need to 'rtfm'. This being said think the best way to install it, is using apache+mod_ssl... as installation base, and then add mod_perl seperatly. Can that be done? Yes it can be done, and you would have known if you had asked or read some documentation.

If you want people(Windows user) using BSD on mass for servers etc, develop a Package that contains many of the necessary Apache modules: eg: ONE Package(NOT an array of messy Ports)

It works absolutly fine, i dont think we want one big package for everything, then it would be like rpm and FreeBSD imo does not want to follow Redhat and such. Oh and that requires a lot of disks for installing, Suse anyone? (DVD or six seven CD's?).

ESSENTIAL: Apache MySQL mod_ssl(Contains:OpenSSL) mod_perl PHP


All possible with the ports...


Why isn't it easy for you to install all these things on FreeBSD?

Which part of the installation troubles you?  A recent addition to the
Handbook was a section on Apache.  Perhaps, by letting us know what
gives you trouble we can improve the documentation to help you and
anyone else that tries to install an Apache web server from now on.

Being a long time Windows 2000 user & a coder in C, C++, Assembler, Perl, PHP I am making a real effort to set up a Web Server on the FreeBSD platform.

Good, at least you try/

I can install apache OK. Installing other modules(mod_perl, mod_ssl, php etc...) with it is a nightmare...

As said, read the documentation , or learn to search, since if you did that and installd apache with modssl included. And you would have searched you would have come across mod_perl and even mod_php, which is apxs'ed into the apache library stuff and can be used within 'seconds'.

What I have noticed so far about FreeBSD:

FreeBSD is about 5 YEARS behind windows(I would actually say 1990, but people my have 
attacks) - apologies to all the hard work put in by BSD contributors!

I think we are in front of windows. We can have multiple users at the same time, refresh our system without always having to reboot {update some random pacakge in windows and it requires a reboot}. Besides that BSD has nice SMP support, and AMD-64 support with working drivers, that cannot be said from Windows XP 64bit eh?

- with FreeBSD & Windows 2000 installed on the SAME computer, the GUI of Windows 2000 is MUCH faster than any of the BSD window managers(wmaker, FVWM, blackbox, fluxbox, XFCE(STILL can't start this from exec, whats the damn command startxfce4 ??? this doesn't work!)... I won't even comment on the shitty performance of KDE & GNOME - If people say it should be used without a GUI... they must be over 40, bald, lonely & most love shitty VI - I can EDIT any file faster on a GUI editor then any coder I have seen at UNI/WORK who say VI is better...

Well i dont agree on this one either, my gnome starts much faster then windows and especially fvwm2 is very fast and light. And instead of ranting on XFCE you can (again) ask how things work, it's not pressing the next button here either. I think you are 20, full of hair and you just love notepad. And that's fine, since i am 20, full of hair and i love vi.. everybody has it's editor... dont rant on that since that's lame..

- No default GUI File Explorer(excluding KDE/GNOME, not that there's is usable) - had to install xfe on wmaker(still about as useless as Windows 3.1 File Manager)


- FreeBSD does NOT Default Mount my CD & Floppy(this is ridiculous - even MS DOS NOT to mention Windows 3.1[Year 1990... ring a bell] did this!!) - you honestly expect new users to edit configuration files so it automounts ?? ... instead of having stuff in the man/manual/docs about mounting/unmounting, just automount them as DEFAULT... no need to read the docs... logical ???

No they did not, you had to enable the driver first before it even got recognized. Here you have the possibility to mount a floppy and a disk.
And again, the handbook has some information about this afaik/

- 300 Million Users of Windows thinks so ;)) (BTW: I am NOT including KDE/GNOME)

Windows has a larger user base, that's correct.

- No default Find Files GUI - I won't even comment on lack of functionality of Cmd line whereis/search/find

In gnome there is a find option that enables you to find files. And then there is find, which can do a lot more then you probably think now.

I can tell you that 95% of people who use computers want "EASE of USE" - This INCLUDES easy installation of the Operating System

Following the handbook makes FreeBSD installable by nearly anyone.

- This should INCLUDE a default setup that HAS: a Default FAST GUI/File Manager/Find 
.. this is all that is needed to get a user up & going to installing & configuring the 
OS to thier
tastes ... did I forget to mention as default AUTOMOUNT !!

You should not shout that much, that's bad for your heart. FreeBSD has features that enable you to pick what you want as X-client (window manager), follow the handbook..

I cannot tell you the shock & disappointment I had in finding out that Windows 2000 
than FreeBSD with any GUI/Windows Manager/Desktop Environment ... :(((

Opinions, again i dont agree, and if you do find this i suggest you have some benchmarks with what applications run faster, etc. Since then you made a good point with some proof.

...damn I have gone way off track here... sorry for the ranting people... but after 6 days straight of messing around trying to install Apache/MySQL/Mod_Perl/Mod_SSL/PHP.. I am a little tired... 3 days of that was trying to get a basic GUI/File Manager/Find Files/Editor working

You perhaps should have asked, search, or rtfm before giving yourself a heart beat of 160...

If you still think that it can be done better, you are free to alter things so that it can do what you wish, since you tell us that you are an experienced coder that should not be that hard..

Besides that: just ask us if something is weird for you, perhaps that's the same for others and we should improve our documentation, instead of ranting you can actually help us and others, in despite to windows in which that is very hard to do so.

Kind Regards,



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