Hi,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de> wrote:
>
> whether to repackage FPC using LZMA depends on whether
> it would unpack with the same hardware requirements that
> FPC has anyway and whether it really makes a difference.
> I could imagine that other files apart from the EXE take
> much of the space in FPC installations...

Most of it is probably program/unit sources.

> What are the ins and outs of Bruce C? Any pointers to an
> earlier DOS thread about it? Have not seen it in the LSM
> software list on freedos.org as far as I remember?

Somebody else had mirrored this (however incomplete) a long long time ago:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/bcc/old/oldold/

Even somebody (deBath?) had made a limited old 16-bit compile of it
with MSC or such, so that's here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/bcc/old/16bit/

It's very weak though (no copt?), and I compiled unproto myself
(needed for "-ansi"), as well as (cross-)compiled doselks (which isn't
needed for native anyways).

Then I tried to make a DJGPP-hosted version (which barely worked due
to *nix file hierarchy issues).

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/bcc/old/

Eventually, IIRC, Khusraw rebuilt it himself with DJGPP to work better
natively, so I mirrored that for us too.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/bcc/

I don't know Mateusz's reasons for even being curious about it, and
IIRC I had never discussed it with him either (not that there's much
to say). Steve is (almost) right, it's not quite "ANSI" but it does
support tiny and small models (thus .COM output only, for DOS). So
it's obviously not suitable for "compact" model code (e.g. FD kernel).

> Is Smaller C dude = Micro C dude?

Alexei vs. Dave, so no.   :-)

> Any other YASM users?

Maybe?? I mean, I don't know of any obvious DOS users, but some other
projects use it.

> WASM as in OpenWatcom ASM, also origin of the JWASM fork.

That's not what this is (although JWasm has its own entry):

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=wasm

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=jwasm

> Actually I did mean PC DOS, it shipped with REXX, unless
> I confused that bundling with OS/2. It is alledgedly a
> stronger language than BAT and 4DOS. May be nice to have.

Anything is stronger than .BAT. But even 4DOS isn't really considered
a "full" scripting language, is it? But anyways, our build of Regina
(386+) doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles, thus no loading
external .so files or anything. So it's still fairly limited to
relatively simplistic code (that doesn't directly access hardware
internals). Like I said, he doesn't even build for DOS anymore, so
apparently "nobody" uses it.

> Well maybe it would also be nice to have some BASH, such
> as the DJGPP one - both shell and script language... :-)

Nah. Their Bash is ancient (2.05b), not well-supported by anyone
anymore. Most DJGPP stuff mandatorily has to be cross-compiled
anyways, for various reasons.

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