Hi,
I didn't even know BWBasic was somewhere. I searched long times for something
about basic (in the time I liked basic) but couldn't find anything. I am a fan
of NASM so I wouldn't agree to remove it, but I would agree to add it.. :)
To get it right, we have it about removing/adding compilers?
Maarten
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Van: "Rugxulo" <rugx...@gmail.com>
Verzonden: 23-1-2016 00:59
Aan: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers."
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Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI and FreeDOS 1.2
Hi,
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Rugxulo et al,
>
> indeed xgrep and grep both have their uses... Regarding BWBASIC,
> current FreeBASIC is extremely cool while BWBASIC was small but
> somewhat sketchy, I would agree to drop BWBASIC from the distro.
Literally, I'm not aware of anybody using BWBasic in recent years at
all. From limited experience, although I did try to play with it a
bit, unfortunately I found it too buggy. Maybe somebody can correct
me, but I wouldn't directly recommend it (as is).
> Note that the modern compilers (OpenWatcom, FPC (Pascal), Free-
> BASIC, DJGPP and so on) are rather large, so I am glad that they
> are not part of BASE ;-) And do not forget NASM and JWASM... :-)
Maybe we should repackage the FPC.ZIP to use LZMA?? It's certainly
(too) large. I think the extra decompression RAM is probably justified
since the package itself presumably uses a fair few MB.
> What do you mean by BCC? The Borland Museum compiler?
No, actually I'm pretty sure this one is bcc/dev86 (Bruce's C
compiler). But even that has bugs and limitations that makes it less
than ideal (although not too bad overall, just much weaker than
OpenWatcom, for example).
> It should not be a requirement to be 16-bit compatible when we
> are looking at non-BASE packages. If there are 16-bit versions,
> it is good to include them, but for example in case of NASM, I
> would make 32-bit the default. It just works well on common PC.
NASM 0.98.39 was the last to have a 16-bit build. At least JWasmR
exists too, but that has its own quirks. So yes, normally the 32-bit
versions are "good enough".
> Looking at the complete list here:
>
> http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?cat=devel
>
> Anybody still using VAL,
Maybe Micro-C dude, but I haven't heard anything from him in years.
> SmallBASIC, BASEC,
No.
> YASM?
NASM compatible, supposedly faster, halfway recommended by SmallerC dude.
> S-LANG anybody?
Not directly. Doesn't DOSEMU use that? So does JED (although none of
us ever finalized a public build of that). Not much else, AFAIK.
> I remember REXX was liked by DOS users?
Not at all (unless you mean PC-DOS 7, which I doubt). Maybe you meant
OS/2? Sure, I've dabbled very very lightly in Rexx, but I don't see
anyone else caring, certainly not the Regina dude (hence why we're
still stuck to 3.7 when latest is 3.91). The makefile.dj2 had somewhat
bitrotted, last I checked, but I was never patient enough (yet?) to
diff the versions.
> I guess PACIFIC-C should be dropped (closed source).
I think Jim had wanted to drop it, yes. Of course, I'm not aware of
any obvious projects (still?) using it anyways. OpenWatcom is
presumably much better (overall).
Anyways, the online Software List is in "read-only" mode for the past
few months now (since Jim is too busy to fix it), so I can't remove it
anyways (not that it's hugely important).
> FASM, WASM and JWASM all have fans.
WASM as in Wolfware? Not really popular, no. I'm not aware of anyone
using it in any projects.
> Is CC386 popular?
Not really, no, but it's still fairly nice. Of course, it's abandoned
in favor of Orange C (which is Win32 or HX hosted only).
> Cute to see that there now is a new Forth compiler!
That was a year or so ago when somebody (Zbignew?) requested adding one.
> PS: Dropped as in "not included in the ISO", listing on www is fine.
Of course.
The .iso for 2.0 should presumably be extra minimal, just for purists,
perhaps like "core", and bigger .iso versions can be added later
("extended"). Maybe.
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