On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 at 02:52, Ralf Quint <freedos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, it was OS2.NLM for Netware 3.1x up to 4.10, for 4.11, they named
> it LONG.NLM.

Faint memory now but sounds right.

> I think starting with Netware 5.0, it was a build-in
> module, no need to load a special name space anymore.

Could be. I did a training course on NW5 but never deployed it in prod.

> But by that time,
> the easy use of Netware was gone....

IMO that disappeared with 4.


> Yeah, that one I remember wasn't very popular, when thinking about that
> one, actually old "MC Hammer" comes into my head, "can't touch that"... đŸ˜›

You needed a Mac client for Netware, and it wasn't popular. I did see
it a handful of times but the kind of companies who bought Macs and
Netware were, in my world, mutually exclusive.

> Don't recall anything like this. Also hard to imagine, given the way how
> they handled permissions. After all, you wouldn't even see sub
> directories you didn't have the rights to access (one of the stupid
> things in Windows,).

Even so.

Internally: name begins with $XC%CVBE$%XD%, then don't let users
$45678 see that...


> IIRC, when trying once to do some data recovery on
> a Netware drive with the help of some folks at Compaq, it was very
> similar to a FAT filesystem.

Yup.

> Novell never published any technical info
> about the file system

Yup. It was one nearly half meg file of handcoded assembly, and only a
few senior programmers understood it. It was the crown jewels and they
couldn't modernise or adapt it.

Which is why NW5 brought in a whole new FS, but that didn't have the
performance and brough them down to mainstream nondedicated OS level.


> and the guys at Compaq could only give me hints
> over the phone, they had tech info from Novell but were not allowed to
> share anything in hard copy from that...

Sounds highly plausible.


> I never used anything past 4.11, they tried to compete too much with NT
> Server at that time already and everything from 5.0 and up was a hot mess.

Somewhat but it did get better-integrated with time.

> Might have to check if anyone ever continued to work on MARSNWE, which
> looked promising for a while until the original author dropped it. Just
> saw that a couple of years ago, it had been put up on GitHub (GitLab?)

For a while but it's EOL now, I believe.

IPX was removed from the kernel just recently (as an aside)

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/03/linux_may_soon_lose_support/ I
wrote about it.


> Have a server (I think it's a 486 with 16MB RAM and something like a
> 1.2GB data drive), running a 10 user Netware 3.12, sitting hidden in my
> storage, something like this would be a great "companion" to FreeDOS...

:-)


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