Hi Tom,

tom ehlert escribió:

and IMO the way that all your 100+ keyboard tables

well, I have to merit Henrique for the creation of the tables from some time now

were obtained is -
even if it *might* not be strictly illegal - certainly far beyond any
means of 'fair use'

simply sort of 'disassembling' some work that MS has done, and
pretending this is our work, is hardly anything I appreciate.


(1) I have NEVER disassembling anything from Microsoft in my work for KEYB,
(2) the binary files that I have defined have NOTHING AT ALL in common with the files that MS use, NOR come from any information extracted from KEYBOARD.SYS or such
(3) what I mimic is, as for most of the rest of FreeDOS, and the way I think it should be, is the commandline and the interface (in this case, I support the codepage change)
(4) the behaviour of the layout files is, as far as I know, not a mirror of what MS does: they have other small additions. For example, I can mention the ussage of the ~ symbol in AltGr+Ñ in Spanish layout, a symbol that can't be produced with MS-DOS or MS-Windows in other way than Alt+0126, but such combination is present in Linux, for example
(5) But anyway, I don't think it is incorrect to see how MS KEYB behaves at key pressingWITHOUT disassembling in a non-intrusive way, as someone can do to, say, see how MS-DOS does TRUENAME ;-))
The information is collected in KEY files (later compiled into binary ones), which are simply a type of text files.


so I would really dislike this continued in country.sys.

IMO, if it's important to have south guinean keybors support/collating
tables, some south guinean local should provide these tables.

and if nobody provides these tables - fine.

but ripping of MS(DOS/Windows/WinNT) these tables is really something
I dislike.


My mentioning this is something non-trivial
Sometime ago I seem to recall some discussion about the information that is / is not copyrighted, or better said, that can/cannot be copyrighted, and I was simply wondering about the limits (because I don't know about the "copyrightness" of COUNTRY.SYS).
The topic about the copyright for COUNTRY.SYS appeared time ago, and I suggest to go back and see the archives. I don't dare point names, but although I must be completely wrong, well credited people here were for the ussage of such file format.
FOR EXAMPLE, I seem to recall that, if there were fonts small enough as 6x6, they cannot be copyrighted.


BTW: all MKEYB tables were created manually (AFAIK; at least if I did
them)


There are NO tools to rip off information from MS-KEYBOARD.SYS into something readable or things like that.
As far as I know, all the KEY files used for FD-KEYB are MANUALLY created as well. There is now simply a tool to BINARIZE the text data on the KEY files, so that KEYB doesn't parse them at boot.


it would be easy to write a compiler/interpreter to make (X)keyb
tables usable in MKEYB as well; I simply don't like the tables.


It is not a bit more complicated, due to the codepage support, that made tables more complex, but of course, the information and my collaboration is here.

Aitor


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