On 6/14/06, John Hupp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (Granted to all: This feedback for the oZone developer may be a bit
> off-topic, unless it reveals any FreeDOS issues. Though I imagine that DOS
> GUI's may be of general interest here.)
> I looked at oZone 0.6 some. My first questions/observations while *running
> it on a pure FreeDOS machine with DOSLFN loaded*:
> 1) I take it that CWSDPMI is not required when FreeDOS EMM386 is loaded and
> providing whatever DPMI support it has. True? (I did not notice any
> difference when I loaded CWSDPMI first.)
> 2) It takes a long time to load, about 25 seconds on this Pentium 100 with
> 16 MB. (DOSSHELL loads in 2-3 seconds.) Should it take that long to load?
> 3) It is a much more modern and pleasing looking interface than DOSSHELL.
> 4) The Console did not work for me. The window appeared, but I could not
> enter anything.
> 5) Copy-and-paste would not work for me in Navigateur. I tried to copy a
> LFN file from floppy to the C drive. With the file selected, nothing
> appeared when I clicked the Edit menu. I right-clicked on the file and got
> a popup menu that let me select Copy, but in the folder on C, when I
> right-clicked, the popup menu did not show Paste, nor did the Edit menu show
The LFN-related problems are because the programs you used don't
support LFNs, not because DOSLFN isn't doing its job. There are
different DOS interrupts required to access long filenames.
> 6) DOSLFN observations (from the command prompt, not in oZone):
> a) I entered MD "DOS Games" and successfully created a directory. But
> CD "DOS Games" does not work. The directory created is DOS GAME (an
> 8-character name) and must be referenced that way. DIR /LFN reports the
> directory name as DOS GAME, not DOS GAMES. So it seems like DOSLFN does not
> support long directory names.
> b) I entered EDIT "Flight Of The Amazon Queen.LN" and entered a command
> line, saved and exited. When I EDIT "Flight Of The Amazon Queen.LN" again,
> it opens the file, so LFN support seems good on that point. But DIR /LFN
> displays FLIGHT O.LN, so it fails to report a LFN created under its own
> c) On the other hand, it properly reports a LFN created under Windows XP
> and not edited or otherwise operated on under FreeDOS, just doing a DIR /LFN
> A: for a floppy where I had copied a LFN file from Win XP.
> 7) I could not figure out how to create program folders or items from within
> oZone, but poked around and found that folders created in OZONE\SYSTEM\MENU
> become program folders, and .LN files are program items - simple command
> lines as far as I could see.
> 8) In accord with my observations in (6), "Flight Of The Amazon Queen.LN"
> was rendered as a short-name program item named FLIGHT O.
> --John Hupp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Florian Xaver
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] DOS GUI opinions
> ok - I see I have to update my website :-)
> I am using FreeDOS and Enhanced Dr-DOS with DOSLFN, a very good LFN
> driver for DOS (I mean Win32 long file name implementation!). oZone is a
> DJGPP program, so it uses LFN if a LFN driver is present. Else it uses
> short file names (not tested by me, but I think it will make some
> problems (but it should be configurable to use only short file names).
> I don't see any reason, why you wouldn't want to use the LFN driver. And
> then you can work without problems... copy, rename, move etc. inside of
> oZone! It includes a navigator, which is like the "explorer" of Windows.
> The test version at my page hasn't a sorted (by name, size etc.) file
> list and directory tree, the next version will have a sorted list, so
> oZone should be really useable as a file manager.
> Sorry for my bad English...
> PS: a mouse driver like CTMOUSE needs to be installed!
> John Hupp wrote:
> > Yes, I see that I need to clarify. This is for a pure FreeDOS system.
> > FreeDOS does not have native support for LFN, correct? I could perhaps
> > run
> > a LFN driver, but I don't know how much native support FreeDOS has for
> > LFN.
> > If you do some FreeDOS operation on a file that the LFN driver has named
> > (move, copy, xcopy, chkdsk), will it strip the LFN? Or worst case, mess
> > up
> > the file/directory structure trying to interpret what the LFN driver has
> > done?
> > The approach that MS-DOS DOSSHELL takes is to offer long Program Item
> > names
> > or descriptions that display in the Program Manager, but the underlying
> > DOS
> > file is untouched. The long name is maintained only in DOSSHELL.INI.
> > The DOSSHELL approach is fine for my purposes at the moment, but I'd like
> > to
> > see a more graphical-looking interface.
> > So that was my question about oZone. When you say that oZone supports
> > LFN,
> > do you mean the Win32 long file name implementation?
> > --John Hupp
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Florian Xaver
> > To: email@example.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] DOS GUI opinions
> > Hi,
> > what do you mean with long names for program items? oZone supports LFN
> > (long file names), so there should be no problem :-)
> > bye
> > Flo
> > John Hupp wrote:
> >> I couldn't tell from the screen shots or descriptions if the oZone
> >> desktop
> >> currently supports creating long names for program items. I would like
> >> the
> >> program manager to display "Flight Of The Amazon Queen", for instance,
> >> and
> >> not just FOTAQ.
> >> --JDH
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Florian Xaver
> >> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] DOS GUI opinions
> >> John Hupp wrote:
> >>> I'm looking for opinions on DOS GUI's. I'm familiar with
> >>> still-developing
> >>> OpenGEM, but I am especially interested in any freeware/open source
> >>> GUI's
> >>> that provide for long names for program items (like MS-DOS DOSSHELL but
> >>> with
> >>> a more modern look). Also your judgment of the GUI's file manager,
> >>> stability and resource consumption. Task switching is nice, especially
> >>> if
> >>> stable, but that's a secondary concern.
> >> A very cool GUI is oZone ;-)))))) It includes a file manager (navigator)
> >> and is a "modern" GUI with Skin support. Feedback is welcome everytime
> >> ;-)
> >>> An off-hand related thought: Is anyone using Arachne as a primary GUI?
> >>> If
> >>> so, the same kinds of questions apply about its shell support.
> >> I am using as HTML/Help viewer in DOS. The GUI is very good for a
> >> browser, but not so good for a general GUI.
> >> Bye
> Florian Xaver <http://www.flox.at.tf>
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