Dang
I thought Alan was doing good.
You try supporting a product and you'll find that its INCREDIBLY tough.
If you want easy, there are easy ways to go, starting at about
$15,000.....go for it
Good Work Alan, most of us just plain appreciate you.
Chel
At 08:45 AM 10/3/2001, you wrote:
>"Serge Maandag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > First of all I'd like to thank you for the enormous amount of work
> > you're putting into freeradius.
> > Not only in programming and bugfixing, but also in replying to questions
> > and panic mails on the list.
> > It's good to see a project being so alive for a change.
>
> Thanks.
>
> > However, I'm getting more and more amazed by the amount of sarcasm you
> > put into your replies. I can imagine it becomes somewhat tiresome to
> > answer the same (damn) questions over and over again, but please do keep
> > in mind: most of us get scared when things go even as far as editing a
> > makefile or using ldd and the likes.
>
> My other choice is to simply delete the emails I find frustrating.
>That means many questions will NOT get answered.
>
> > Fact is: most people are used to things like rpm's or maybe a
> > (./configure:make:make install) with their eyes closed, expecting
> > instant success.
>
> Yes, I understand. I expect that, even. But I'm continually amazed
>at the sheer number of questions which are content free. Many of the
>questions can be summarized as: "Something's wrong, how do I fix it?"
>
> I have no good answer for these sort of questions. I've gotten a
>NUMBER of personal flames, where people tell me not to be such an
>asshole. I even agree with them, I'm very often rude. I'm even more
>rude when people don't follow my suggestions for fixing the problem or
>argue with me about what the fix is. If they knew the answer, why did
>they ask the question?
>
>
> The problem is, I'm not sure what else to do. I've put a great deal
>of effort into writing the server, what little documentation exists,
>and making sure that the debugging messages are helpful. Yet a large
>number of the questions on the list are a result of people NOT paying
>attention to the information which is sitting in front of them. By
>posting their questions, they're hoping that someone ELSE will do the
>work of thinking for them, for free. That's VERY rude.
>
> I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm willing to be
>endlessly polite for anyone willing to pay me contracting fees, to
>answer their questions. So far, NO ONE has taken me up on it.
>
>
> I think this is like the social situations where it's considered
>tolerable for someone to behave inappropriately, but it's rude for
>ANYONE to point out that their behaviour is inappropriate.
>
> > I for one never even heard of 'GDB'. Freeradius is great, but it does
> > suffer a lot from lack of organized docs / pointers to them. That makes
> > it scary the first time you try to get it to work :)
>
> Welcome to the free software world. If you know what you're doing,
>it works. If you don't know, then you're often SOL, sorry.
>
> > Just needed to point that out. Keep up the good work please,
>
> I'll try, thanks.
>
> I don't want to push people away, I want to push them into learning
>for themselves, and being independent. It's how I got where I am.
>
> Alan DeKok.
>
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