Hi Dr. Fischl

I ran the following mri_average and consistently get this message. It seems
to be trying to read my output as one of the input volumes. If I don't
specify an output it re-writes my last file in the input folder and when I
try to open this it doesn't work at all.

What exactly does MRIchangeType mean?



(navigated to folder with all .mgz volumes want to average)
mri_average *.mgz test.mgz --noconform

1 of 51: reading fsaverage_overlay_aalf_icbm-102_left.mgz...
embedding and interpolating volume
MRIchangeType: Building histogram
2 of 51: reading fsaverage_overlay_aalf_icbm-103_left.mgz...
embedding and interpolating volume
MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
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MRIchangeType: Building histogram
51 of 51: reading test.mgz...
mghRead(/data-01/trisanna/freesurfer/fsaverage/DISPLAY_overlays_fsaverage_left/aalf_lh/test.mgz,
-1): could not open file
mri_average: MRIread(test.mgz) failed


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On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Bruce Fischl <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
wrote:

> no problem.
>
> Bruce
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, Trisanna Sprung-Much wrote:
>
> thanks Dr. Fischl - I think sometimes my emails don't get sent out on the
>> first try and so I resend - don't mean to spam everyone.
>> Don't know how I missed the mri_average option - I think I need vacation
>> too.
>>
>> thanks and have a lovely Sunday!
>>
>> Trisanna
>>
>> --
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>> Integrated Program in Neuroscience
>> Psychology
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Bruce Fischl <
>> fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>>       Hi Trisanna
>>
>>       Doug is on vacation and his response time is likely to be pretty
>>       slow. If any emails go unanswered you should repost them in a
>>       week or two.
>>
>>       As for this, if you overlays are mapped to fsaverage you can
>>       just use mri_average to average them.
>>
>>       cheers
>>       Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, Trisanna Sprung-Much wrote:
>>
>>             Hi Doug
>>
>>             So all of my overlays for each subject have been
>>             registered to fsaverage
>>             using mri_surf2surf. I am now wondering how I could
>>             create an average in
>>             "fsaverage space" using these overlays - I
>>             understand that
>>             mris_make_average_surface is an option but I cannot
>>             seem to find whether
>>             this works for overlays and not just surfaces
>>             (white, pial). I want to take
>>             each subject overlay on fsaverage and average them
>>             to get a probability map.
>>
>>             thanks
>>
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>>             Integrated Program in Neuroscience
>>             Psychology
>>
>>
>>             On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Trisanna
>>             Sprung-Much
>>             <trisanna.sprung-m...@mail.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>                   Hi Doug
>>
>>             So all of my sulci for each subject have been
>>             registered to fsaverage
>>             using mri_surf2surf. I am now wondering how I could
>>             create an average
>>             of a sulcus using these overlays - I understand that
>>             mris_make_average_surface is an option but I cannot
>>             seem to find
>>             whether this works for overlays and not just
>>             surfaces (white, pial). I
>>             want to take each subject overlay on fsaverage and
>>             average them to get
>>             a probability map for a single sulcus.
>>
>>             thanks
>>
>>             Trisanna
>>
>>             --
>>             Ph.D. CandidateMcGill University
>>             Integrated Program in Neuroscience
>>             Psychology
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Trisanna
>>             Sprung-Much
>>             <trisanna.sprung-m...@mail.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>                   worked beautifully. Thank you!
>>
>>             --
>>             Ph.D. CandidateMcGill University
>>             Integrated Program in Neuroscience
>>             Psychology
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Douglas N Greve
>>             <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>                   Try surf2surf with --mapmethod nnf
>>
>>                   On 06/15/2016 04:25 PM, Trisanna Sprung-Much
>>             wrote:
>>                   > Hi Doug - yes they do actually, I was quite
>>                   pleased. I did some trials
>>                   > with other subjects and the mri_vol2surf all
>>             looks
>>                   good. Very similar
>>                   > to what I had in our in-house software.
>>                   >
>>                   > Would things be better if I were to isolate
>>             each
>>                   sulcus as a .label
>>                   > and then try the mri_label2label? Someone
>>                   suggested perhaps the
>>                   > colours are overlapping with the overlay....
>>                   >
>>                   > --
>>                   > Ph.D. Candidate
>>                   > McGill University
>>                   > Integrated Program in Neuroscience
>>                   > Psychology
>>                   >
>>                   >
>>                   > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Douglas N
>>             Greve
>>                   > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>                   <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>                   >
>>                   >     The problem is probably that the
>>             vol2surf
>>                   command did not properly
>>                   >     sample the labels onto the surface. Do
>>             the
>>                   labels on subject 00350
>>                   >     surfaces look ok?
>>                   >
>>                   >     On 06/15/2016 04:00 PM, Trisanna
>>             Sprung-Much
>>                   wrote:
>>                   >     > thanks Dr. Fischl
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     > So the command seems to have worked! I
>>             have
>>                   copied what ran in my
>>                   >     > terminal. When I open the test.mgz
>>             overlay
>>                   on the fsaverage pial
>>                   >     > surface, things look ok but a bit
>>             funny. I
>>                   am wondering if there is
>>                   >     > anything I can do to the mri_surf2surf
>>                   command to improve the
>>                   >     > registration to fsaverage? *See my
>>             snapshots
>>                   attached.*
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     > trisanna@kaplan:~$ mri_surf2surf
>>                   --srcsubject 00350 --sval
>>                   >     >
>>
>>             /data-01/trisanna/freesurfer/00350/surfaceoverlay_left.mgz
>>                   >     > --trgsubject fsaverage --tval test.mgz
>>                   --hemi lh
>>                   >     > srcsubject = 00350
>>                   >     > srcval     =
>>                   >
>>
>>              /data-01/trisanna/freesurfer/00350/surfaceoverlay_left.mgz
>>                   >     > srctype    =
>>                   >     > trgsubject = fsaverage
>>                   >     > trgval     = test.mgz
>>                   >     > trgtype    =
>>                   >     > srcsurfreg = sphere.reg
>>                   >     > trgsurfreg = sphere.reg
>>                   >     > srchemi    = lh
>>                   >     > trghemi    = lh
>>                   >     > frame      = 0
>>                   >     > fwhm-in    = 0
>>                   >     > fwhm-out   = 0
>>                   >     > label-src  = (null)
>>                   >     > label-trg  = (null)
>>                   >     > OKToRevFaceOrder  = 1
>>                   >     > Reading source surface reg
>>                   >     >
>>
>>             /data-01/trisanna/freesurfer/00350/surf/lh.sphere.reg
>>                   >     > Loading source data
>>                   >     > Reading target surface reg
>>                   >     >
>>
>>             /data-01/trisanna/freesurfer/fsaverage/surf/lh.sphere.reg
>>                   >     > Done
>>                   >     > Mapping Source Volume onto Source
>>             Subject
>>                   Surface
>>                   >     > surf2surf_nnfr: building source hash
>>                   (res=16).
>>                   >     > Surf2Surf: Forward Loop (163842)
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     > surf2surf_nnfr: building target hash
>>                   (res=16).
>>                   >     > Surf2Surf: Reverse Loop (166912)
>>                   >     > Reverse Loop had 41306 hits
>>                   >     > Surf2Surf: Dividing by number of hits
>>                   (163842)
>>                   >     > INFO: nSrcLost = 0
>>                   >     > nTrg121 = 132490, nTrgMulti = 31352,
>>                   MnTrgMultiHits = 2.31749
>>                   >     > nSrc121 = 137180, nSrcLost = 0,
>>             nSrcMulti =
>>                   29732, MnSrcMultiHits =
>>                   >     > 2.28602
>>                   >     > Saving target data
>>                   >     > Saving to test.mgz
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     > best
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     > Trisanna
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     > --
>>                   >     > Ph.D. Candidate
>>                   >     > McGill University
>>                   >     > Integrated Program in Neuroscience
>>                   >     > Psychology
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     >
>>                   >     > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 12:13 PM,
>>             Bruce
>>                   Fischl
>>                   >     > <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>                   <mailto:fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>             >     <mailto:fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>             >     <mailto:fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> wrote:
>>             >     >
>>             >     >     Hi Trisanna
>>             >     >
>>             >     >     you would only use those options of if
>>             you
>>             were transforming
>>             >     a surface
>>             >     >     Bruce
>>             >     >
>>             >     >
>>             >     >     On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Trisanna
>>             Sprung-Much
>>             wrote:
>>             >     >
>>             >     >         thanks Dr. Fischl
>>             >     >
>>             >     >         I assume that for surface overlays
>>             one
>>             cannot specify
>>             >     >         --sval-xyz and --tval-xyz or the
>>             command
>>             will treat the
>>             >     input
>>             >     >         as a surface
>>             >     >         itself?
>>             >     >
>>             >     >         best
>>             >     >
>>             >     >         Trisanna
>>             >     >
>>             >     >
>>             >     >
>>             >     >
>>             >     >         --
>>             >     >         Ph.D. CandidateMcGill University
>>             >     >         Integrated Program in Neuroscience
>>             >     >         Psychology
>>             >     >
>>             >     >
>>             >     >         On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:11 AM,
>>             Bruce
>>             Fischl
>>             >     >         <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>             >     <mailto:fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>             >     >         <mailto:fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>             >     <mailto:fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> wrote:
>>             >     >               Hi Trisanna
>>             >     >
>>             >     >               you don't need to inflate the
>>             overlays. They can just
>>             >     >         use the existing surface-based
>>             (sphere.reg) registration.
>>             >     >
>>             >     >               cheers
>>             >     >               Bruce
>>             >     >               On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Trisanna
>>             Sprung-Much wrote:
>>             >     >
>>             >     >                     Hi there
>>             >     >                     So I have sulcal labels
>>             from
>>             another software
>>             >     >         (.mnc format) from which I am trying
>>             to
>>             generate some
>>             >     >                     probability maps. I was
>>             able
>>             >     >                     to convert the .mnc to
>>             .mgz
>>             surface overlay
>>             >     using
>>             >     >         mri_vol2surf for my MRIs after
>>             running all
>>             MRIs in
>>             >     >                     recon-all. So, now I
>>             have
>>             >     >                     all my painted voxels as
>>             surface overlays, as I
>>             >     >         was instructed to do a few months
>>             ago.
>>             >     >
>>             >     >                     I was told that the next
>>             step
>>             would be to use
>>             >     >         mri_surf2surf to resample the
>>             overlays to
>>             fsaverage.
>>             >     >
>>             >     >                     I am a bit confused as I
>>             would
>>             think that
>>             >     the next
>>             >     >         step would be to take the surface
>>             overlays
>>             and
>>             >     >                     inflate them before I
>>             register
>>             >     >                     them to fsaverage. I see
>>             that
>>             when recon-all
>>             >     runs,
>>             >     >         it computes the registration of the
>>             MRI
>>             surface to
>>             >     >                     fsaverage and saves it
>>             as
>>             >     >                     sphere.reg. Is there a
>>             way I
>>             can inflate my
>>             >     >         surface overlays in a similar manner
>>             and
>>             then apply this
>>             >     >                     same registration to my
>>             >     >                     surface overlays? Or am
>>             I
>>             missing something?
>>             >     >
>>             >     >                     thanks very much!
>>             >     >
>>             >     >                     Trisanna
>>             >     >
>>             >     >
>>             >     >                     --
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>>             University
>>             >     >                     Integrated Program in
>>             Neuroscience
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