Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2007 02:55:00 schrieb Thorsten Glaser:
> Ralph Passgang dixit:
> >> Furthermore we have a nice OpenWrt release, which everyone can use, if
> >> somebody needs Broadcom Routers with 2.6!
> >
> >Waldemar, is that really you writing this? :)
>
> I think both sides just have drunk too much…

I cannot talk for waldemar, but I haven't drunk a "bit" *fg*

> >I think the majority of developers are focusing
> >on 1.1 already...
>
> Since when am I the majority? oO

you are doing the most stuff in the moment, but if i am not wrong, even almost 
everybody else is concentrating on 1.1... the webgui, the ifup-rework, the 
routerboard-port, and so on... so it's not just about you.

> >I think you are doing a great job with freewrt so far and at
> >least none of the active freewrt developers would be able to keep this
> > work
>
> … especially kicking the other developers' arses…

let say it so: he knows which ass needs a kick from time to time :)

> >up at this high level.
> >
> >or do you just want a democratic authorisation for this (and maybe other
> >upcoming) decisions in the freewrt project?
>
> I vote against that, he should keep the authoritarian authorisation…
> so we can blame him if things go wrong.

it's not about blaming, it's about the feeling he and the developers should 
have when they work for freewrt. I think he wanted to start a discussion 
about the freeness of freewrt.

I also think it's free enough already (and for the actual size of the 
project), but I also wanted to show up some possible alternatives (but more 
for the future in general). You can't compare a project with 10 developers 
with another project with 100 or even 1000 developers. They have diffrent 
needs in their "political" structure.

> >if you really want an 100% open opensource project, then maybe a
> > constitution would be a good think. maybe project leader elections like
> > debian does...
>
> If you're starting to think in that direction, please fill in form A38 with
> 2 copies, paper-mail AND fax them… you know? Let's just shut up and hack.
>
> Elections? *laugh*

it works at least for debian since over 10 years and over 1000 of developers. 
It's not the badest of all possibilites.

> FreeWRT happens because it's needed by users and developers, people and
> companies. 

sure, but that has nothing to do with the whole conversation so far. It's 
always for the users (for their personal use and/or for companies)

> Never touch a running system. 

"Never change a running system" is just some kind of flowery phrase for a 
wisdom that is only true for about 50%...

If you don't go with the times, then you will have a big problem someday that 
might not haved arise if you have someting against it by time. Look what 
happens with telekom or other companies that don't saw a need to rearrange 
when it was time.

But don't get me wrong. I don't want to change a thing in freewrt, I just 
wanted to correct the "never change a running system" statement. If you 
really would believe in this statement, then you wouldn't tried stuff like 
removing the +x bit for init.d scripts, would you ;-P

> bye,
> //mirabile
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