Glen & Marcus, Well, hopefully returning to the main thread. The question seems to concern an observation that information can be 'misused', letting people capitalize on the interesting ways in which 'bad models' don't fit, to display a 'reality' beyond the information which is both verifiably present and verifiably explorable. To me that seems to have a bearing on the sort of opposite principle of Niels Bohr. I believe Bohr's idea was that because science works only with information that a fundamental assumption of science must be that nothing exists which can not be represented with information, ...and so, only immature thinkers could possibly doubt that at the most fundamental level the structure of the universe is that "God rolls dice", I think it goes.
Do you see that connection or any bits and pieces of it? Or are these durable shapes in the fog between the models something different? > > Phil Henshaw on 12/06/2007 10:53 AM: > > The hard part seems to be to take the first dark step to accepting > > there might be a shape of another form that the measures > are missing > > (like the whole tree or person). It means looking for how to best > > extend and complete your image based on the limited cast of the > > measures at hand. Interpolation gone wild?? Free form projection > > perhaps?? Sort of... You just gotta do something to make > sense of the > > larger continuities that develop in natural complex > systems. What I > > think we can see clearly is that our measures and models are highly > > incomplete. > > I think we agree, which normally means there's nothing to > talk about! [grin] But, I thought I'd throw out my term for > what you're describing: "triangulation". > > It's not really triangulation, of course. But it's certainly > more like triangulation than, say, population sampling. > Perhaps we could call it "tuple-angulation"??? [grin] > > Here's a paper in which "we" (i.e. my outrageous rhetoric is > reigned in and made coherent by the authors of the paper ;-) > try to describe it: > http://www.biomedcentral.com/1752-0509/1/14/abstract See Figure 1. This particular example is just one sub-type of the general method we're talking about, here, though. - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. -- George W. Bush -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWX6LZeB+vOTnLkoRAhfiAJ4ldUf3p2wtlih3736TIp28uVtEZACfWyMf Pi/MX4iy1xD4PrqQNyNvbYo= =9GWs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
