On Sep 16, 2009, at 1:35 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:

It's funny, I have the general notion that "scientists" shouldn't know better. I don't mean that based on their intelligence, but I think it is much easier for scientists to go about doing the stuff they do, and they do it better, if they think they are REALLY doing it. Albeit, it may be fun to predict where a cannon ball is going to land, or what the orbit of the planets will be, but if people didn't think they were finding out something "real" about "gravity" I doubt the activity would have been as engaging.

I think that's a really neat way to think about it. I'm sure that it is helpful to a lot of people, and in fact as the reference I sent makes clear, it would actually be impossible to accomplish anything without some ability to conceptualize things as if they were real, or certainly to communicate them. On the other hand, the belief that such things are real has lead to all sorts of mischief -- including scientific materialism itself, but also see say classical economics.

Oh, and predicting "where a cannonball is going to land". Somehow I wish that scientists were a little less adept at that sort of thing, and in fact we might even become deliberately poor at such tasks if we gain an appreciation of the broader context of complex interaction, i.e. including flesh and bone. Or better, we might see it as part of our responsibility to impress upon others the potential impact. Scientist do this of course, i.e. Union of Concerned Scientists but it would be nice if that were the rule rather than the exception.

As a more "real world" example, take the development of a new antibiotic or vaccine. If I am driven purely by a local imperative to cure a particular disease, or increase hog yields, and see that problem as "real", while the much more complex problem of pathogenic adaptation is "not real" -- because I don't know how to conceptualize it properly! -- that's a problem for everyone else.
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