Thus spake russell standish circa 09-09-21 04:02 PM: > Bedau's weak emergence. So what you're proposing sounds to me just > like a stronger notion, possibly even akin to Bedau's strong > emergence. I give an example of a loopy structure in my book (page > 162) which I think is an example of strong emergence.
Except I'm not defining "emergence", here. I'm defining "complexity". As I've said, "emergence" seems like a useless concept to me. > One trouble you will have is that not everybody accepts causal loops, > ie they would posit that all causal loops can be explained by (reduced > to) a non-loop structure with the causal direction coming from the > lowest levels. Yeah, all justificationist gobbledygook has that type of trouble, including my justificationist gobbledygook. [grin] But, what matters is what I achieve by thinking this way, not how many people think like me. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
