Thanks I've just been reading some basic stuff about TSK on the net.
The TSK movement seems to me about "living" - making the most out of life, time / object management for Westerners, whereas Asian Yoga addresses moving between various mind unrealities and rejection of earthly existence to assimilate a nothingness into awareness. Sarbajit On 8/15/10, Victoria Hughes <victo...@toryhughes.com> wrote: > Not Yoga, except in that joined place of deep time and refined > information that all investigations approach. > Although some parts of his text sound like the Patanjali Sutras. > > Tarthang Tulku is/was a well-known much-loved and much published > Tibetan Buddhist Lama, from the Nyinmga lineage. Very old, highly > refined investigative mental focus and skepticism. Powerful practice > if you do it. > He came to the west decades ago and began the Nyingma Buddhist > Institute in Berkeley. > In his practice and observations of Buddhist investigation of the > Western psychology, he developed a body of information and practical > awareness called Time Space, Knowledge. I did several courses of > practice in it when I lived in Berkeley. Nyingma is perched up above > the city, above on the campus and near the lab. > The people involved tended to be of the European academic > intellectual bent. Very intense, rigorous practice, the Rinpoche knew > his audience. Although like all Tibetan Buddhists, there's a very > practical and earthy acceptance. > > Tory > > On Aug 15, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm sorry, but what is this ? >> Its Yoga, not as we know it Jim. >> >> Sarbajit >> >> On 8/15/10, Rich Murray <rmfor...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> bold concepts re practical unity awareness: Fw: [tsk] What's TSK >>> inquiry, >>> and what 'new core values' might TSK promote? Steve Randall: Rich >>> Murray >>> 2010.08.14 >>> >>> [ re "Time, Space, and Knowledge", Tarthang Tulku, Rinpoche, 1977 ] >>> http://tska.info/prsnt.html >>> http://stevrandal.wordpress.com/about/ >>> http://stevrandal.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/whats-the-zone-of-peak-performance/ >>> ] >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "stevrandal" <st...@manage-time.com> >>> To: <t...@yahoogroups.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 4:38 PM >>> Subject: [tsk] What's TSK inquiry, and what 'new core values' might >>> TSK >>> promote? >>> >>> In a paper titled "Human Values in a Changing World," compiled by >>> Gaynor >>> Austen from handwritten notes by Maaida Palmer, late director of >>> the Turiya >>> Yoga Centres in Australia, Maaida wrote: >>> >>> * Why are values so important to mankind? >>> * Have new values come to be recognised, or are the old values >>> constantly >>> being presented? >>> . . . >>> In this changing world, has anyone discovered a new human value >>> that he >>> wants to disclose? It appears that our task is rather the >>> stocktaking of >>> values we already have. >>> . . . >>> The optimists say the flux in the current lifestyle is but the >>> passing out >>> of old outmoded values that have not worked and the introduction of >>> new >>> values yet to be born. >>> . . . >>> Is it possible to introduce a system of values based on knowledge >>> of the >>> nature of the human person - one that each individual can >>> understand to be >>> true and not just a system that is believed, or seems to be true? >>> >>> >>> To me it seems that with TSK, Tarthang Tulku promotes the previously >>> underrated value of the process or method of inquiry, of clear >>> seeing, >>> sensing, and exploring, going into all apparently fixed, or `real', >>> or >>> 'true' reference points, structures, beliefs, and assumptions, in >>> an open, >>> nonskeptical, yet challenging dis-covery process that eventually, >>> directly, >>> and effectively transparentizes or dissolves all structures, >>> limitations, >>> and fixed dynamics. Inquiry is a valued means of discovery, or dis- >>> covery. >>> Apparently 'simply' clearing the clouds is sufficient, and >>> simultaneously >>> shows the sunlight. >>> >>> Within the TSK texts, paradoxical, shared, naturally inherent, core >>> 'values' or quality-facets are described. Those following were >>> derived >>> from (yet may not faithfully represent) statements in the texts: >>> >>> 1: flow >>> . tension and resistance without effort by a self. >>> . coordination and order with complete spontaneity, and without >>> control by a self. >>> . dancing without a sense of a dancer, or doer of the dancing. >>> . a particular person doing something while there is complete >>> spontaneity, with no doer. >>> . attribution of causation without experiencing a causative entity >>> or event separate from an effect. >>> >>> 2: creativity >>> . Appearance and events can have identifiable causes and sources >>> within the >>> world, and yet things can feel as though they come out of nowhere, >>> with no >>> source or cause. >>> . The same objects, people, and world can be recognized repeatedly >>> over >>> time, >>> and yet be seen as fresh, original appearances each time. >>> . People and things can be assigned a historical identity while >>> felt to be >>> discontinuous >>> or to be recreated moment by moment. >>> >>> 3: accomplishment >>> . While we can attribute production and service to a particular >>> individual, >>> that person can experience the work as an activity that flowed by >>> itself, >>> with >>> no effort. >>> >>> 4: objective space >>> . Familiar things, while separate and distributed over ordinary >>> space, are >>> nevertheless >>> unseparated and even intimately connected within and as a higher >>> order, >>> dimensionless space. >>> . While the physical world may be a referent for any activity, no >>> world >>> order >>> seems fixed outside and around us. >>> . Objects may have an inside and outside, yet they need not have any >>> perceived >>> depth. >>> . While there may be measurable lengths, there is no felt distance. >>> . Although objects have volume, they aren't experienced as >>> extending in >>> space, >>> or exclusively occupying space. >>> . Geographical coordinates and points, and "here" and "there" can >>> mark >>> positions; >>> however, there are no felt spatial divisions or extension-everything >>> is the same space, "here." >>> >>> 5: mental space >>> . I can have a mind without needing to feel that it's separate from >>> others' >>> minds. >>> . I can have a mind without feeling that it's stable, continuously >>> existing, >>> or >>> independent of "the outside." >>> . I can have a personal space or position without having to feel >>> separate >>> from >>> anything/anyone else. >>> >>> 6: identity >>> . There can be people with names and histories who nevertheless >>> have no >>> sense of substantiality or continuous existence. >>> . There can be recognizable personality without an experience of >>> personality-owner >>> and without a feeling of repeated patterns. >>> >>> 7: locus of knowing >>> . While an individual can know and perceive, knowing need not feel >>> like it >>> belongs to a person, takes time, or radiates or occurs from a center. >>> . When a particular person knows an object, there may be no felt >>> distinction >>> between knower and known. >>> . When a particular person knows a locatable object, knowing can be >>> experienced >>> as a nonlocated encompassing field. >>> >>> 8: content of knowing >>> . While particular objects, events, or thoughts are known, still >>> there can >>> be a >>> sense of comprehensive, unbounded knowing. >>> . The perception of a particular object need not involve a sense of a >>> perceiver >>> nor any feeling of separate context for the object. >>> . Thoughts can express distinctions without referring to >>> experientially >>> separate >>> objects, people, or events. >>> . Memories need not refer to a separate past position, and hopes, >>> anticipations, >>> and expectations need not refer to separate future positions. >>> . Pain, suffering, and emotion can appear without a relatively >>> positioned >>> victim >>> or owner. >>> >>> 9: well-being >>> . There can be a person with a personality, reasoning, emotion, >>> sensation, >>> intuition, >>> and different body parts without any sense of fragmentation or >>> feeling >>> of separate "parts." >>> >>> 10: need and fulfillment >>> . A person can have desire and preference, or can pursue this or >>> that course >>> of action, without any sense of need or deficiency. >>> . Whether a situation is labeled positive or negative, ugly or >>> imperfect, >>> fulfillment >>> and complete appreciation are immediately available. >>> . Within a finite duration of clock time infinite fulfillment is >>> available. >>> . Although most of the world is outside the individual, a person >>> need not >>> feel >>> cut off from or lacking anything. >>> >>> 11: feeling of time >>> . There can be distinguishable past, present, and future times >>> without any >>> felt >>> separation between the times. >>> . Events can "occur" without any experienced movement or transition >>> from >>> one to another. >>> . Clock time may be finite and limited, but the experienced >>> duration of a >>> period >>> of clock time is not at all fixed. >>> >>> 12: feeling of reality >>> . While objects and people exist and interact, they can seem >>> ethereal and >>> insubstantial. >>> . When events occur, it can seem dreamlike, as though nothing at >>> all is >>> really >>> happening. >>> . The clearer our perception, the less we see reality as a compounded >>> object. >>> . Although knowledge may refer to physical and mental realities, >>> certainty >>> is diminished in proportion to how experientially separate entities >>> seem. >>> . Experiential fragmentation of objective reality destroys certainty. >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tsk/ >>> >>> <*> Your email settings: >>> Individual Email | Traditional >>> >>> <*> To change settings online go to: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tsk/join >>> (Yahoo! 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