Bingo!  You nailed it.  It appears that hostgo makes secondary domains be 
implemented as frames:

friam.org looks like:
<frame src="http://www.redfish.com/friam"; scrolling="auto" frameborder="no" 
border="0" noresize="">

I've seen DNS services make this a choice for subdomains.  The usual choice is 
to use subdirs == subdomains .. i.e. ~/www/ == the main domain, foo.com.  Then 
~/www/bar/ == bar.foo.com.  What's odd is that hostgo implements it in the 
html, rather than in apache mapping.

    -- Owen


On Jan 3, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to 
> load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a 
> handful of other hand built sites that I know.
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> wrote:
> Great work, Roger!
> 
> [email protected] is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo.
> 
> My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email 
> (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent 
> email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem.  You can see 
> the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries.
> 
>     -- Owen
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> 
>> The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 
>> listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which 
>> doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one 
>> of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as 
>> the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was 
>> blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they 
>> could.
>> 
>> I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report 
>> in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?  
>> Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only 
>> insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted 
>> mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if 
>> the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in 
>> your copies. 
>> 
>> The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen 
>> is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP 
>> address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous 
>> sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  
>> 
>> Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would 
>> wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which 
>> we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has 
>> hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
>> 
>> -- rec --
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
>> Of Owen Densmore
>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
>> 
>> 
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
>> 
>>  
>> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> friam.org
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
>> 
>>                                                    X-Spam-Report:      Spam 
>> detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified 
>> this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached 
>> to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. 
>>  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for 
>> details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM 
>> messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that 
>> the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   
>> (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name              description ---- 
>> ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 
>> -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low 
>> trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD 
>> Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00           
>>     BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.3 AWL AWL: 
>> From: address is in the auto white-list
>>  
>> But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.
>> 
>>  
>>     -- Owen
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Off topic:
>> 
>> The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
>> them.  
>> 
>> Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 
>> 
>> N
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
>> Of Owen Densmore
>> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>> 
>>             McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
>> 
>>             This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
>> sites:
>>             friam.org
>> 
>> I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
>> way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.
>> 
>> Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
>> a referral? 
>>             https://www.dropbox.com/referrals
>> 
>> If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
>> 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
>> form above, and we'll both get a larger account.
>> 
>>    -- Owen
>> 
>> 
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