Interesting. The Deep Space Habitat (DSH) for Beyond Earth Orbit (BEO)
exploration seems to be made of ISS parts and modules. Carl, have you
been working for NASA or a NASA contractor? You seem to have a deeper
knowledge of the topic?
Practical approaches are always good. It is important to keep space on
the radar now that all Space Shuttles are retired. One reason is that we
recognize how fragile the earth really is only if we look at it from
space. From a scientific perspective, unmanned spacecrafts like the new
Curiosity rover on Mars are probably the best way to explore new worlds
and to find out new things. They are probably not the best tool to make
epic quantities of money. Mining the moon and the asteroids becomes
feasible if the resources on earth are nearly exploited and used up.
There is no oil in space, though, since it has organic origins.
What would Buzz say ( the real Buzz, see
https://twitter.com/#!/therealbuzz ) ? Now on to Mars, probably.
-J.
Am 29.05.2012 05:16, schrieb Carl Tollander:
Yeah, that kind of BEO.
Or This:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/03/nasa-exploration-roadmap-evaluation-crewed-missions-asteroids/
I personally might prefer a bit more elbow room, but hey, one could
always go hang out in the SEV or the Orion between jaunts.
Folks like Bigelow could say they could do that, and there would be
prettier pictures, but they don't have the chops. Yet.
Granted that they will do other cool things on the way to getting
those chops, but not yet. SpaceX got some cheeze to the space
station, and they should be proud of that, but a demo is not yet an
operational program.
Carl
On 5/28/12 9:11 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
This BEO?
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/03/dsh-module-concepts-outlined-beo-exploration/
I think we agree: let COTS take care of the current stuff now that
the shuttle is no more, and let BEO projects be NASA's goal.
-- Owen
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Carl Tollander <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Not seeing much of a pure commercial story for BEO. COTS isn't
aimed at that. So right now BEO (fuel depot at L2, manned
asteroid visits, Mars) is Orion/SLS-centric and conjecture over
beer. My feeling is that COTS is there to guarantee that we
have the industrial base to get to LEO whenever we want to and to
free up NASA to concentrate on more deep-space (manned and
unmanned) stuff. I will be happy to stand corrected.
Carl
On 5/28/12 2:24 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Jochen Fromm
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You have heard about planetary resources and the first
commercial flight to the ISS by the Dragon spacecraft from
SpaceX. Is this a new step forward into commercial space
exploration? Or a step back into the orbit? The first man
landed on the moon already 40 years ago. I am just reading
'Carrying the Fire' from Michael Collins, an impressive book
about a tremendous achivement in an exciting time. Although
nobody has repeated this success in the last 4 decades,
space exploration of the solar system with robots and rovers
will certainly continue. Human space exploration is much
more difficult, and I am not sure if it is the right path.
Space veterans like Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins are of
course supporters of manned space flight. What do you think?
There is something profoundly affecting about these
spacecrafts, spaceships and the other technical marvels from
rocket science. Do we need humans to control them?
I like the NASA COTS (Commercial Orbital Transportation
Services) approach
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Orbital_Transportation_Services
It defines phases and capabilities with both maned and un-maned
missions. The recent SpaceX mission was COTS 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COTS_Demo_Flight_2
.. just one of many COTS objectives, for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COTS_Demo_Flight_3
The COTS missions look like:
Commercial Cargo Development
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Orbital_Transportation_Services#Awards>
2006 - /2011/
Commercial Space Transportation Capabilities
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Space_Transportation_Capabilities>
2007 - 2010
Commercial Crew Development
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Crew_Development#CCDev_1> (phase
1) 2010 - /2011/
Commercial Resupply Services
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Resupply_Services> (cargo)
/2011 - 2015/
Commercial Crew Development
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Crew_Development#CCDev_2> (phase
2) /2011 - 2012/
As wonderful as exploring the solar system and beyond has been,
I like the new "practical" approach the new commercial ventures
are taking. Mining the moon and asteroids and using them on
in-orbit or L5 to start living in and constructing in space.
I think ultimately this will get us on Mars and on the next star
soonest.
-- Owen
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