Re Doug's last comment:
It's about power and control. A justification for them. They are
using 'religion' as a potent, unquestionable label to justify their
behaviour. Much like fundamentalists from all 'religious traditions'
Technically, the word 'religion' derives from 're-linking', as in
'ligature'.
'Religion' is a form of behaviour that many people use as a structure
to establish their connection to faith.
Humans are built to believe in something. Linking to a sense of
something [ larger, more consistent, trustworthy] than our small ego-
minds is built into our way of conceptualizing our experience.
Science, politics, the earth, the truth, skepticism, god, etc etc -
all the 'big' words are ideas that humans build into structures to
support their need to believe.
There is nothing wrong with that. It is not metaphysical craziness,
just the way we are wired.
Great conversation. Thanks, Hussein.
Tory
On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
Let's see if I understand you correctly, Owen.
There are a bunch of fundamentalist Islamists all up in arms
shouting "Allahu Akhbar" whilst burning down our embassies and
killing our diplomats because there is a film out that is derogatory
of the Muslim religion.
And this is not about religion?
I don't see it.
Or you don't see it.
What I do see is that there is one very large disconnect on this
particular issue.
--Doug
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Owen Densmore
<[email protected]> wrote:
I do not believe this to be a religious issue at all. The question
is of groups and institutions.
When a faction of a group becomes apparently insane, do we not
expect the entire group, its leaders and majority, to speak up and
to mend?
When civil rights were an issue in the south, many of us (I was at
Georgia Tech) spoke up, and indeed many churches of all stripes did
so. Many NRA members also speak up about the extreme position the
organization takes. Examples abound. And yes, I consider this a
Complexity domain, much like Miller's Applause model.
Isn't this possibly a cultural issue? Possibly regional? The
largest Muslim population is not Libya or Egypt or even all of the
middle east, its Indonesia. They do not appear to have this issue.
So my question stands as Kofi stated:
"Where are the leaders? Where is the Majority? Nobody speaks
up."
NOT the religious leaders but the leaders of the culture in which
the religion lies.
And Hussein, forgive me, but your inward religious stance has
nothing to do with speaking out against injustice. It is not a
religious issue, but a civic, cultural one.
-- Owen
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