I love the difference in point of view between:
"I think therefore I am"
and
"Why is there something rather than nothing"
The first considers awareness primary, the second physics. I suppose
quantum foam? .. you *can't* have nothing?
The problem in the OP article seems to be a lack of a "Turing test" .. if
we can devise a way to distinguish between being a simulation vs not.
Otherwise tautology.
-- Owen
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Carl Tollander <[email protected]> wrote:
> There would be some assumptions involved on why the sim was made.
> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2824#comic
>
> "Optimizing one's level" may be one of those strategies that didn't pan
> out so well. Kind of an artifact that seems to turn up occasionally, but
> doesn't get much processor time.
>
>
> On 12/17/12 9:44 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> And aren't we all trying to "Level Up"? Wasn't every step of evolution
> (the relative plateaus of complexity?) like Prokaryiote to Eukaryote, like
> multi-cellular, like O2 Breathers, like vertebates, like warm-bloodeds,
> like tool users, like fire users, like language users, like nation-state
> creators, etc... Our search for the GUT is now perhaps eclipsed by our
> search for the key to life itself... etc.?
>
> Also, how different is this idea of universe as simulation from Digital
> Physics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics>?
>
> - Steve
>
> Yeah, I'm aware that my idea doesn't hold water -- just playing. Evidence
> that we're not in a game is that the putative gamemaster didn't block my
> note from appearing. If you hadn't responded, I would have had confirmation
> of my idea.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Arlo Barnes <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> But then that implies a false positive: if in other configurations we
>> don't notice it as a puzzle, then we only (or are more likely to) notice
>> the more 'puzzle-like' phenomena, and interpret that as meaning we are in a
>> game.
>> But is a game the same as a simulation? Sure, games can have elements of
>> simulation (where I define simulation as recreating a system in perhaps
>> simpler terms) but I believe it exists as a separate conceptual entity.
>> Besides, it seems that all these discussions of whether we live in a real
>> universe or not get caught up in circularity because we generally define
>> reality *as* the universe.
>> -Arlo James Barnes
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