Hear hear!

To all both of Marcus' and Leigh's comments and to Doug's quote from the most insightful cartoon philosopher of all!

Leigh -

As a (mostly) single father of two (now grown) daughters, I am very sympathetic with the (more common) single mothers who have had the burden (and privilege) of raising children without the benefit of the "help" of the other parent. In my case, and many cases I am personally familiar with for women raising children alone, the absence of the other parent can be a blessing, albeit mixed (psychologically as well as financially).

Nevertheless. I agree that this does not absolve the absent parent nor the "village" of the responsibilities of raising a child. As you point out, we are already failing at that fairly badly *even* when the kids manage to not become mass murderers.

I am trying to use the acuteness of this event to return my gaze to my own immediate surroundings... my relationship with gun and violence culture, my relationship with the young people in my life and their parents, etc. I don't see any budding mass murderers, but then... I'm not sure they are that easy to spot except from the armchair on the day after the game with our most excellent rearview binoculars.

- Steve
"We have met the Enemy, and he is us." - Pogo


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Leigh Fanning <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    This is a country producing substandard students unable to compete
    intellectually with their peers, with school budgets a perennial
    mess.  It's also a country that primarily serves compliant,
    malleable girls in the school systems.  Problem boys are fast-tracked
    to deficit drugs rather than creating educational systems that
    actually work for them.  It's unlikely that the schools could
    handle filtering for future mass murderers given that they can't
    even manage their primary mission.

    It seems the entire surrounding group was out of touch.  Was the
    father
    so removed that he spent no time with his son and simply paid
    off the mother to make a problem go away so he could continue his
    wealthy much better than yours life?  Are we really to believe that
    he had no knowledge of his son's activities?

    Who are we to judge these people anyway?  We should be judging
    ourselves that we have allowed such disconnected social systems
    to become commonplace, and feel that we bear no responsibility
    to each other or towards the communities we live in.

    Leigh



    On 18 Dec 2012 at 12:38 AM, Marcus G. Daniels related
    > Hi,
    >
    > When it comes to gun control and parents, does the government try to
    > cross-examine parents seeking purchase of weapons to be sure their
    > remarks about their children are sufficiently detached and
    analytical?
    > Do we expect parents to know the inner lives of their introverted
    > children,  and even adult children?  The hopes by and
    expectations of
    > parents seem counter to an honest assessment of an odd child,
    especially
    > in upper-middle class Connecticut.   It seems Nancy Lanza did have a
    > basic misapprehension of her son.  If she didn't  she would have
    known
    > it was inappropriate to have such efficient weapons in the house.
    >
    > I think the kind of cultural change that would be needed to identify
    > cases like Adam Lanza would, in general, be considered too
    intrusive and
    > rejected by most Americans.   It would involve, I expect, that
    > apparently introverted kids would receive psychological
    assessments, and
    > that those assessments, would need to be actionable without parental
    > consent.   Like most school assessments, they would discourage any
    > subtle judgement by the fraction of teachers capable of the task.
    >
    > Marcus
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