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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote: > > His asylum in Russia is temporary, it is limited to a > year. He would like to get asylum in a western country. > And most of all he would like to testify before members of > the US congress. From what I have read today, it is legally > possible that the German government denies the extradition > to the US if he comes to Germany. > > You know the whole affair makes big waves here. The majority > of Germans sees Snowden as a hero, and not as a traitor. Because > of their troubled history, the Germans are sensitive to any > form of surveillance and spying on the own people. We had > a massive secret state police at least two times, first in Nazi > Germany (SS & "Gestapo", Geheime Staatspolizei) and second > in Eastern Germany during communism ("Stasi", Staatssicherheit). > Other countries are sensitive to different issues, our neighbor > Poland for instance still discusses the causes for the crash > of the Polish Air Force Tu-154, where president Lech Kaczyński > and many other people were killed. The general public opinion > here is that we don't want any form of state surveillance as > it occurred during fascism and communism. The people should > control the secret agencies, and not the other way round. > Therefore it is not surprising that the politician of the German > government who is the responsible for the secret agencies > - the current head of the chancellery - is not very popular > in the general public. > > I think the German politician who spoke with Snowden really > wanted to know what he knows. And he is a bit angry at the > chancellery and the head of the chancellery, which is > responsible for the German intelligence agencies. He said > there have been at least four meetings of the parliamentary > control panel in the course of the NSA affair, and he has not > got any useful information in them. In other words the part > of the parliament which is responsible for the supervision > of the German intelligence agencies does not really know what > these agencies are doing. We know that government agencies > and public authorities are usually only effective when it comes > to vacation tricks and coffee making, however they should not > be allowed to do anything which is technically feasible. Luckily > we have still some politicians who don't give up if it becomes > difficult or uncomfortable. > > -Jochen > > > > On 11/02/2013 05:38 AM, Carl Tollander wrote: > > Why would he want asylum in Germany? Not that that might not be spiffy > from some perspectives, but still.... > > Nice letter, with the font and all. Diplomatically says, no, would have > to be insane to take you up on your kind offer. Might be fun to have a > beer in Munich someday, but you know how it is. Yours, etc, etc.... > > Really, what did said German politician think would happen? > > C. > > On 11/1/13 8:13 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > > Any chance Germany will give Snowden asylum, Jochen? > > > On Nov 1, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote: > > A high ranking German politician has spoken with Edward Snowden in > Moscow. Here is the letter he brought back: > http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-32616.pdf > > -J. > > Sent from Android > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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