I was taking a broader swipe at how much of society and the economy is setup to pigeonhole people into being one thing. Find a role, stick with it, don't shoot too high or too low. Stability and identity, as an aim in itself. The need for community is to create a platform for parting with conservative values to explore other values, values a community can just invent. Unfortunately, the people that seek out these communities can become burdens on the community's mission if they seek comfort in the group rather than add momentum to its purpose. No, I don't care about the people who know how to do things finding common ground with corporate drones. It's not about good and evil or safety and danger. It's about the purposeless and ordinary draining the will and attention of the unique and interesting. Universities, labs, DIY biology groups at least protect that to some extent but each have their pluses and minuses.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:24 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] speculative Q I'd (probably wrongly) interpreted Marcus' comment to mean something about keeping the corporate drones (who can't imagine doing work for anything other than incentive) away from people who have the knowledge to create weapons of mass destruction, particularly biological weapons ... hence, the article about DIYBio myths. It was a little bit of agreement with a little bit of disagreement combined. BTW-FWIW, since we're talking about motivation vs. incentive, I just saw this in my inbox: The Ethics of Whistleblowing with Edward Snowden http://www.philosophytalk.org/shows/ethics-whistleblowing-edward-snowden > John: A lot of people see you as a hero. But others, intelligent ones too, > have called you a narcissistic traitor ... How do you see yourself at this > point? > > Snowden: I don't think about myself. I don't think about how I'm going to be > perceived, because it's not about me. It's about us. This is the type of thing that makes me think Snowden is, at least, disingenuous, if not worse. He's clearly not afflicted with any of the major psych disorders that prevent him from reflective thought. Hence, he _does_ think about himself and how he'll be perceived. If he'd just answer the damned question honestly ... like "Hell yeah, I think about myself and how I'm perceived! I think about how my fellow US citizens view me. I think about how/whether they want to know the information I leaked, whether a jury of my peers would convict me if presented with the evidence ... " Etc. If he'd answer that way, I might start to trust him. Instead he answers with this pseudo-altrustic nonsense, public-relations/politician-speak. Ugh. On 07/14/2015 04:43 PM, Parks, Raymond wrote: > So, I'm not getting the relevance of the DIYBio movement to Marcus' comment. > Are you suggesting that it is an example of community for community's sake? > > On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:15 PM, glen wrote: > >> On 07/14/2015 02:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Sometimes I think circles such as yours and the people Glen is talking >>> about just must be kept apart from one another, if they don’t avoid each >>> other naturally. That’s about as close I get to advocating community for >>> community’s sake. >> >> http://phys.org/news/2013-11-first-ever-survey-do-it-yourself-biology >> -myths.html -- ⇔ glen -- ⇔ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
