I could imagine something like this unfolding..

1)      Humor him, play to his ego.  Get him to set expectations about his 
power and to think it is easy.
Kiss the ring.


2)      Once `in’, do what is possible to seed disagreements within the 
administration in the hopes the conflict will exacerbate his need for social 
dominance to the point they begin to isolate him.



3)      Create hyperpartisanism to make government more dysfunctional and cause 
despair amongst the people that supported him and the Republican Congress.    
Let ACA fall, allow all manner of disasters in foreign policy to accumulate.    
Meanwhile, direct money into the (good) states and create even more 
productivity in those places while bleeding the rest dry.   Provide a Come to 
Jesus moment.

From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:33 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Nick,

No.  "Self" has a technical meaning in psychoanalysis.  The tiny baby 
experiences the world as self-(m)other after a certain amount of separation and 
individuation.  I've got to stop giving lectures on this subject.  I'm already 
in over my head.

Framk
Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Jan 17, 2017 3:28 PM, "Nick Thompson" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi, Frank,

Isn’t that an example of itself?

“This book was written about me”.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam 
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf 
Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders

Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of life.  Hence 
the infantile symptomatology.  But it can be aggravated during adolescence, 
say, by the kinds of things
Jochen mentions.  Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the pathology in 
a book called "Analysis of the Self".  It is not about self analysis.

It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly.  It is 
full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic libido". Also, 
people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling that they have the disorder.

Frank



Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918<tel:(505)%20670-9918>

On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent to the 
NYMA.  I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?

-J

On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted Trump and 
mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the audience and didn't 
laugh. For a person with a narcissistic personality disorder this must have 
been a traumatic experience. Maybe this was the moment where he decided to take 
revenge no matter at what cost? It starts at 2:40
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I

I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a little bit 
more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA (New York Military 
Academy). It is a rigid school which values discipline. He must have been very 
unhappy to be the only of 5 siblings to be there, to move from a rich house in 
Queens, NY, to this impersonal and strict institution.
http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-york-military-academy-2016-12?op=1

I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating experience. 
Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and egoistic because his 
parents didn't care about him? At the core of his personality you can probably 
still meet the lonely and insecure 13 year old that wants to be loved.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html

They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little 
attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his parents, 
and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or pretends to win. 
Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he wants, and from 13 to 18 no 
parents were there for him to guide him. Is this how a personality order can 
develop, too little love in childhood?

-J.




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