Definitely the latter. They were a big help to me with my "Coexistence" modeling project.
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > M > > > > In what sense philosophers? They liked to entertain lofty thoughts? Or, > they were systematic thinkers in relation to things beyond the realm of > physics? > > > > N > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Merle > Lefkoff > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:19 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" > > > > Nick, the quantum physicists that I worked with during my four years at > CNLS were very much also philosophers. I think it kept them reasonably > sane. > > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > Marcus, > > > > To be honest, I have never seen what philosophy has to do with quantum > mechanics. I agree with you that the idea of a real world outside > experience is nonsense but I don’t see how QM gets you there. Peirce held > that all “objective” observation consist of guesses at what we all, the > community of inquiry, will agree is real, after much discussion, in the > very long run. So it’s all experience, all the way down, except that > “reality” is a sort of future experience. No dualism allowed. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus > Daniels > *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 10:40 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" > > > > "Experiment after experiment has shown—defying common sense—that if we > assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective, > observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central > lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out > there in some preexisting space." > > For some reason, many scientists seem to believe that they are independent > observers and not part of the physics they measure. If they can give that > up, then things make more sense. > > Marcus > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly < > wimber...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 7:56:16 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" > > > > This resonates with various Framework discussions. I think it's an area > of interest to Nick. > > > > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the- > illusion-of-reality/479559/?utm_source=atlfb > > Frank Wimberly > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > > -- > > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > > Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding > > Saint Paul University > > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada > > > > merlelefk...@gmail.com <merlelef...@gmail.com> > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > > twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy emergentdiplomacy.org Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding Saint Paul University Ottawa, Ontario, Canada merlelefk...@gmail.com <merlelef...@gmail.com> mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merle.lelfkoff2 twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff
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