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M I am sure they were smart people, but did they know anything about the history and contemporary practice of philosophy, or were they starting from scratch. I guess I think that it’s almost as preposterous to say that a physicist can do philosophy as to say that a philosopher can do physics. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" Definitely the latter. They were a big help to me with my "Coexistence" modeling project. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Nick Thompson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: M In what sense philosophers? They liked to entertain lofty thoughts? Or, they were systematic thinkers in relation to things beyond the realm of physics? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:19 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" Nick, the quantum physicists that I worked with during my four years at CNLS were very much also philosophers. I think it kept them reasonably sane. On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Nick Thompson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Marcus, To be honest, I have never seen what philosophy has to do with quantum mechanics. I agree with you that the idea of a real world outside experience is nonsense but I don’t see how QM gets you there. Peirce held that all “objective” observation consist of guesses at what we all, the community of inquiry, will agree is real, after much discussion, in the very long run. So it’s all experience, all the way down, except that “reality” is a sort of future experience. No dualism allowed. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" "Experiment after experiment has shown—defying common sense—that if we assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective, observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out there in some preexisting space." For some reason, many scientists seem to believe that they are independent observers and not part of the physics they measure. If they can give that up, then things make more sense. Marcus _____ From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Frank Wimberly <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:56:16 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" This resonates with various Framework discussions. 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