"I don't care what you think you have deduced from formal logic, if you jump when the empty gun is cocked, *you believe that the gun is loaded*."
Or you believe the gun might be loaded. I have three revolvers hidden away in a triply locked gun safe. Two of them are cowboy style six-shooters. One of them is a British 9 shot double action .22. Do you see the problem? Frank ---- Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 7:03 PM Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Glen, > > > > > > Frank and I have a long-running, somewhat facetious, argument about the > meaning of probability statements. We are friends, and we enjoy making > each other squirm, a bit. I talk to him in a way I would not talk to you. > My argument with Frank is light-hearted and you may justifiably be > impatient with it. So, some caution, here, therefore. > > > > One of the things Frank and I argue about is, Who exactly gets to say what > I believe. He credits first person accounts, perhaps unconditionally; I > credit third person accounts, conditionally. Something like that. So that > is a part of what is going on, here. There is another thread lurking here > that concerns what logic, in the ordinary sense, is good for. Put them > together, and you get something like, "I don't care what you think you have > deduced from formal logic, if you jump when the empty gun is cocked, *you > believe that the gun is loaded*." I am looking forward to Frank’s > disagreement with that notion. It's a bit like the distinction between > signs and symptoms in medicine. > > > > I certainly don’t want to be an idealist. I am trying to be an > experience-monist: everything else, ideas, matter, is irreducibly just > patterns in experience. But given the doctrine above, you have a lot to > say about whether I am, in fact, an idealist. Evidence? > > > > I stipulate that I have not answered your longer email of a week ago on > this thread. Given your assertion that I don't read [carefully] what you > write, I am taking time to answer it. Relatives in house, so that process > is slow. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 6:30 PM > To: FriAM <email@example.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What's so bad about Scientism? > > > > So, to be clear, are you also making fun of reasoning like this? I ask > because it's equal in idealism to the trolley problem. > > > > On 07/11/2018 07:48 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > > Jones is in a gunfight > > > Jones Knows that his opponent has only a six shooter Jones knows that > > > his opponent has just fired six shots Jones’s opponent aims his gun at > > > Jones Jones reasons that his opponent’s gun is empty Yet he is afraid > > > of being shot. > > > Does Jones believe that the gun is empty? > > > > > > By the way, given the facts stipulated, you, as a mathematician, would > > > say that the probability that the gun is empty is 1.0, right? > > > > > > -- > > ☣ uǝlƃ > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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