Perhaps Marcus already said this or something like it. You do dream you just want to ignore that fact because it's inconsistent with your assertion that minds don't exist. Also, a dichotomy can be true if you exclude the law of the excluded middle which constructivist mathematicians do and still derive the integers and the rational numbers.
I am skeptical that Dave is Appolonian. Frank ----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:15 AM Nick Thompson <[email protected] wrote: > Marcus, > > Well, if nothing is real, then dreams aren't real either, right. So, > that's a non-starter. I don't think I am being absurd, but that's for > others to judge. I assume my brain does rem sleep like everybody else's, > but one sure as hell can minimize or maximize the experience of dreaming. > I know people who build their lives around dreaming, wake themselves up at > night to write down their dreams, etc., etc. They have a lot more > experience of dreaming than I do. > > By the way: how can a dichotomy be false? I can see that it might be > "narrowly useful" or "not useful for the following purposes <please > state>". But False. What means "false" in this context? > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:41 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian Lives > > It's a false dichotomy. An Apollonian can recognize that he or she needs > food, just as well as they could recognize they need intellectual or > spiritual sustenance. And of course your brain will do the dreaming that > is needed to keep you alive, even if you don't know about it or recognize > its value. I guess you are just being absurd? > > Did you ever see the movie Strange Days? Why should I jump out of an > airplane if I could just pump the same signals into my brain? There's > nothing real, after all. > > Marcus > > On 1/2/19, 10:19 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" < > [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: > > Yeah. See. That's just the point. About 20 years ago, I decided > that dreaming was a waste of time and I wouldn't do it anymore. So I > don't. > > Dionysians and Apollonians are very different people. > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus > Daniels > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:08 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction > > There's also this thing one can do called `sleeping in', which tends > to increase the probability of dream memory and/or lucid dreaming, at least > for me. A built-in neuroplasticity mechanism complete with psychedelic > phenomena and a safety mechanism of motor system deactivation. ( > > On 1/2/19, 10:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" < > [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: > > For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do > for me. Is that a fair statement of a difference between us? > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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