p.s. Dropping the law of the excluded middle required giving up proof by contradiction.
----------------------------------- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:23 AM Frank Wimberly <[email protected] wrote: > Perhaps Marcus already said this or something like it. You do dream you > just want to ignore that fact because it's inconsistent with your assertion > that minds don't exist. Also, a dichotomy can be true if you exclude the > law of the excluded middle which constructivist mathematicians do and still > derive the integers and the rational numbers. > > I am skeptical that Dave is Appolonian. > > Frank > > ----------------------------------- > Frank Wimberly > > My memoir: > https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly > > My scientific publications: > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:15 AM Nick Thompson <[email protected] > wrote: > >> Marcus, >> >> Well, if nothing is real, then dreams aren't real either, right. So, >> that's a non-starter. I don't think I am being absurd, but that's for >> others to judge. I assume my brain does rem sleep like everybody else's, >> but one sure as hell can minimize or maximize the experience of dreaming. >> I know people who build their lives around dreaming, wake themselves up at >> night to write down their dreams, etc., etc. They have a lot more >> experience of dreaming than I do. >> >> By the way: how can a dichotomy be false? I can see that it might be >> "narrowly useful" or "not useful for the following purposes <please >> state>". But False. What means "false" in this context? >> >> Nick >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> Clark University >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus >> Daniels >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:41 AM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] >> > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian >> Lives >> >> It's a false dichotomy. An Apollonian can recognize that he or she needs >> food, just as well as they could recognize they need intellectual or >> spiritual sustenance. And of course your brain will do the dreaming that >> is needed to keep you alive, even if you don't know about it or recognize >> its value. I guess you are just being absurd? >> >> Did you ever see the movie Strange Days? Why should I jump out of an >> airplane if I could just pump the same signals into my brain? There's >> nothing real, after all. >> >> Marcus >> >> On 1/2/19, 10:19 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" < >> [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yeah. See. That's just the point. About 20 years ago, I decided >> that dreaming was a waste of time and I wouldn't do it anymore. So I >> don't. >> >> Dionysians and Apollonians are very different people. >> >> Nick >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> Clark University >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus >> Daniels >> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:08 AM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction >> >> There's also this thing one can do called `sleeping in', which tends >> to increase the probability of dream memory and/or lucid dreaming, at least >> for me. A built-in neuroplasticity mechanism complete with psychedelic >> phenomena and a safety mechanism of motor system deactivation. ( >> >> On 1/2/19, 10:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" < >> [email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >> >> For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do >> for me. 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