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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 7:41 AM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > I am using pice to text for this so there will be errors. > > dysregulation with Central mono and energy systems is believed to underlie > the pathology of depression. Drugs that selectively inhibit the reuptake of > central monoamines have been used clinically to alleviate symptoms of > depressive illness Duloxetine a novel compound currently under > investigation for the treatment of depression buying selectively with high > affinity to both norepinephrine and serotonin transporters and lacs > affinity for Mon Ami receptors within the central nervous system it has > been suggested that dual inhibition of Moana ome reuptake processes may > offer advantages over other antidepressants currently in use in preclinical > studies Duloxetine mimics many physiologic effects of antidepressants > consistent with other antidepressants Duloxetine by a cute administration > elevates extracellular how do I have any levels well by chronic > administration is does not it does not > > Duloxetine has brand name Cymbalta. > > Maybe you could search for does psychotherapy do.... ? > > Frank > > ----------------------------------- > Frank Wimberly > > My memoir: > https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly > > My scientific publications: > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 > > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 3:07 AM glen ∅ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> To be clear, my question was whether therapy changed the brain in similar >> ways to how antidepressants change the brain, which was the (unjustified) >> claim made in the article. It just seems like a fantastical claim to me, >> if for no other reason than that there are different types of >> antidepressant. So, I might be able to justify saying "Different >> antidepressants don't even change the brain in similar ways to each other, >> much less to other, non-antidepressant drugs." >> >> So, therapy changes the brain and antidepressants change the brain. >> Fine. Are those changes similar? And if so, how are they similar? >> >> On 3/7/19 8:41 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: >> > Sorry. See correction, below. The point is, if the therapist >> convinces the patient, by rational argument, to do the Right Thing, >> whatever the right thing would be, we don’t tend to think of this as a >> brain change. But of course it is. So, what is this odd dualism by which >> some brain changes are REALLY brain changes, and some are not? Thus, we >> see again, as we must always see, (};-)] that brain state materialism is a >> crock. >> > >> > >> > Of course therapy alters the brain. How on earth else could it work? >> So, the question wouldn’t come up if people didn’t suppose that some brain >> alterations and */[NST==>are<==nst] /*not REALLY brain alterations. I >> don’t know how those people make that distinction. >> > >> >> > *From:*Friam [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Frank >> Wimberly >> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 07, 2019 6:20 PM >> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] is this true? >> > >> > >> > >> > Therapy and drugs can certainly change a life. I had a friend who >> worked for a research organization at the University of Pittsburgh. He had >> a Ph.D. in psychology. At the time I worked in the Robotics Institute at >> Carnegie Mellon. He became interested in my work and wondered if there were >> opportunities for him there. He investigated and was offered a position. >> As a faculty member your job was to find a problem solve it and publish the >> results and then seek funding for further work but usually you had the >> freedom to pursue whatever problem you wanted to within reason. He was not >> used to this lack of structure and he became unhappy. One night he called >> me and was in desperate straits. I did what it could to encourage him. >> He entered therapy with a psychiatrist. Over the months he became more >> productive. After making some contributions in scheduling and planning >> software as I recall, he went to work for a startup and did some excellent >> work developing visualization >> > tools. He was head of a group of a dozen or more developers and >> scientists. The group became a separate business. After a couple of years >> it was bought by a fortune 50 company and he was made head of the division >> it became. >> > >> > I don't know whether or how his brain changes but his life certainly >> did. >> > >> > Frank >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:58 PM Prof David West <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > ketamine would not be the first drug that was utilized to augment >> therapy. MDA, MDMA, even LSD were all studied as ways to enhance, optimize, >> therapy. >> > >> > An therapy, some kinds of it anyway, have also been demonstrated to >> produce very mild altered states of consciousness — somewhat less than >> hypnosis, somewhat greater than attending an old fashioned Catholic Mass. >> > >> > davew >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, at 3:25 PM, glen ∅wrote: >> > >> > From >> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/opinion/ketamine-depression.html >> > >> > > After all, therapy and prescription drugs like >> antidepressants change the brain in surprisingly similar ways. >> > >> > >> > >> > Does therapy exhibit changes in the brain similar to drugs >> (like antidepressants or not)? I wish the author had provided a citation >> or 2. >> > >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >> > -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918
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