Hm. Well, I've been talking about hidden states the whole time. So, I suppose 
you're simply not talking to me, despite having mentioned things I've said and 
using my name in some posts. I'll bow out.

On 5/10/20 1:44 PM, Eric Charles wrote:
> I offered the dead-duck vs the live-duck and Weekend at Bernie's as examples 
> of movement that is not behavior. We can also talk about avalanches, the 
> babbling brook, the explosion of the tree struck by lightening, the clouds 
> blowing through the sky. The vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of 
> movement that occurs in the universe in not behavior. 
> 
> Also, I am exactly not talking about hidden states. We could talk about that 
> at some point, for sure, but I wasn't talking about it before. I'm not sure 
> what I might have said that lead you to think anything "hidden" was at issue. 
> Certainly there are physically-internal states when we discuss organisms, but 
> my exact point is that the phenomenon in question do not exist at that level 
> of analysis. Back to Holt: 

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