Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about my emotional reaction.
It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do). I don't even want an invective to hurl. It's that I *find myself hoping* that the generic Trump fanboy comes down with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a political act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you right) but, now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I don't want real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the political needle, I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having problems. I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states. On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > Nick, for me, that’s not it either. > > > > I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable > people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable > people, and the innocent. Specifically, to your interpretation, I will > not value their regret and do not seek it. > > > > The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other things. > > > > Marcus > > > > *From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of " > [email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Date: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM > *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > [email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering > > > > Dale, > > > > What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah! I agree that it’s not > quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close. > > > > Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel” > > > > That comes off the tongue pretty good, too. If invective is what one is > after, it’s hard to beat german. > > > > NIck > > > > > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Dale Schumacher > *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:30 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering > > > > It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term *schadenfreude*. > Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take > delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population > that is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences > of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there > will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always > been a blunt instrument... > > > > > > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > This emotion, culpable though it may be, is so common there is a german > word for it, *schadenfreude*. > > > > Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue? > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott > *Sent:* Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering > > > > I feel ethically corrupt to find myself hoping for a spike in COVID > incidents among Trump voters. But in fact, that's what I'm hoping for. > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:11 PM David Eric Smith <[email protected]> > wrote: > > One should do a regression against the popular vote and against the > electoral vote. See if the difference between those regression > coefficients carries even more information than the separate values. > > > > On May 24, 2020, at 4:04 AM, <[email protected]> < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/05/07/as-states-reopen-covid-19-is-spreading-into-even-more-trump-counties/ > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . > ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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