I don’t know if this embeds within Nick’s thread, but it is a lovely bookend to Marcus’s link:
https://econpapers.repec.org/article/ucpjlstud/v_3a29_3ay_3a2000_3ai_3a1_3ap_3a1-17.htm <https://econpapers.repec.org/article/ucpjlstud/v_3a29_3ay_3a2000_3ai_3a1_3ap_3a1-17.htm> Monetization of high-dimensional things, whether positive or negative, is a death knell. Eric > On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > > It’s because we were ruined. > > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/motivation.html > > From: Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:44 PM > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism > > Well, as an ethologist, I should be the first at that barricade. So thanks > for reminding me. > > Examining my own experience, I can only say that you are correct that there > is direct pleasure in developing an argument, as “tactile” as the pleasure of > forming Silly Putty into smooth balls or blowing bubbles with bubblegum. But > that pleasure is eliminated IMMEDIATELY and completely, if I imagine that > nobody will ever read and understand what I wrote. That’s a paradox, and one > I don’t entirely understand. > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:04 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism > > Nick, > > I wonder if communicatory behavior is rewarding in its own right just as > consummatory behavior is. > > Meta: > I don't know if "communicatory" is a word. But I wanted parallel with > "consummatory". > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 12:54 PM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> We may disagree. I think that some spaces should be safe for some purposes. >> The question to be discussed, on a case by case basis, is, Are the functions >> of a space improved or diminished by making it “safe” in some specific way. >> But there’s another point, here. Assuming one is trying to convince >> others, not just mouthing off, when does aggressive rhetoric assist in >> changing minds. And if one is NOT trying to change minds, why exactly are >> we talking? That’s NOT a rhetorical question. >> >> Nick >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> Clark University >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> >> >> >> From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels >> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:01 PM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism >> >> Nick writes: >> >> < Surely there is SOME value, SOME times, in just trying to “get on”. > >> >> I don’t see why the absence of that is hostility, or even bad. I do see >> situations in which individuals want latitude to have any remarks they make >> taken as valid and kind should be afforded the same discomfort they impose >> on others. I certainly am not arguing for safe spaces. Actual safe >> spaces are controlled by people that hold some power. Tear down that >> power – prevent communities -- and discussions will be safe. >> >> Marcus >> - .... . -..-. . ...- --- .-.. ..- - .. --- -. -..-. .-- .. .-.. .-.. -..-. >> -... . -..-. .-.. .. ...- . -..-. ... - .-. . .- -- . -.. >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/>- .... . -..-. . ...- --- .-.. ..- - .. >> --- -. -..-. .-- .. .-.. .-.. -..-. -... . -..-. .-.. .. ...- . -..-. ... - >> .-. . .- -- . -.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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