I'm guessing that some people would take "putting a price on it" as removing guilt/shame and replacing it with a "transaction" which even if calibrated to the offender's income is still a "rational transaction" for many.
> I wonder what would happen if the penalty were based on the offender’s > salary and paid directly to the provider. So, let’s say the provider > is earning 25 dollars an hour and the offender is earning 100 dollars > an hour. So, now the penalty for THAT offender is 100 dollars per > hour, or fragment therof. Would the offender still accept this > penalty as a price of doing business? > > > > N > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith > *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:01 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism > > > > I don’t know if this embeds within Nick’s thread, but it is a lovely > bookend to Marcus’s link: > > > > https://econpapers.repec.org/article/ucpjlstud/v_3a29_3ay_3a2000_3ai_3a1_3ap_3a1-17.htm > > > > Monetization of high-dimensional things, whether positive or negative, > is a death knell. > > > > Eric > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Marcus Daniels <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > It’s because we were ruined. > > > > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/motivation.html > > > > *From: *Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of > "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Date: *Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:44 PM > *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism > > > > Well, as an ethologist, I should be the first at that barricade. > So thanks for reminding me. > > > > Examining my own experience, I can only say that you are correct > that there is direct pleasure in developing an argument, as > “tactile” as the pleasure of forming Silly Putty into smooth balls > or blowing bubbles with bubblegum. But that pleasure is > eliminated IMMEDIATELY and completely, if I imagine that nobody > will ever read and understand what I wrote. That’s a paradox, and > one I don’t entirely understand. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 1:04 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism > > > > Nick, > > > > I wonder if communicatory behavior is rewarding in its own right > just as consummatory behavior is. > > > > Meta: > > I don't know if "communicatory" is a word. But I wanted parallel > with "consummatory". > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 12:54 PM <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > We may disagree. I think that some spaces should be safe for > some purposes. The question to be discussed, on a case by case > basis, is, Are the functions of a space improved or diminished > by making it “safe” in some specific way. But there’s > another point, here. Assuming one is trying to convince > others, not just mouthing off, when does aggressive rhetoric > assist in changing minds. And if one is NOT trying to change > minds, why exactly are we talking? That’s NOT a rhetorical > question. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:01 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] millenarianism > > > > Nick writes: > > > > < Surely there is SOME value, SOME times, in just trying to > “get on”. > > > > > I don’t see why the absence of that is hostility, or even > bad. I do see situations in which individuals want latitude > to have any remarks they make taken as valid and kind should > be afforded the same discomfort they impose on others. I > certainly am not arguing for safe spaces. Actual safe spaces > are controlled by people that hold some power. 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