My wife's father was a member of that Commission. He was an attorney and a lifelong Chicagoan.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:45 PM Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> wrote: > I think I wrote to the list earlier that I dredged up the Kerner Report > last week--1968, and I suggest you all read it. > http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf > > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:58 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Glen - >> >> I know you weren't pulling our leg (or my finger). >> >> This was the post I was composing when the tone deaf joke formed and >> escaped: >> >> My "intellectual" interest is in how self-organizing principles and >> emergence operate in social contexts... on both sides of the debate here, >> as is being alluded to here already. When Law Enforcement gets >> significantly defunded, what fills the vacuum left by that? There are >> lots of *other* vacuums/rifts/holes being formed as our culture heaves and >> buckles a little under a series of shifts. I'm not sure what (if any) are >> root causes and what are just cascades and reactions. Globalism, >> NeoLiberalism, Authoritarinism, Fascism, Manic Hypercaptialism, Rapid >> Technological Change, Hyper Connectedness, Information Overload, etc. >> >> Many believe that shifting funding from law enforcement (which is by >> definition more reactionary than preventative?) to mental and social >> services which are intended to be more strongly pro-active in preventing >> the kinds of problems that the police often have to remediate down the >> road, is a net gain and possibly something that could be effected very >> quickly, even if positive results may lag in many cases. I don't know how >> well that works for/with hardened criminals who've already been taken from >> being under-nourished, under-respected, under-opportunitied youth through >> a series of trainings as a gang member first on the streets, and then >> inside prison for several stints, annealed and tempered by police, judges, >> prison-guards and one's fellow travelers to a strong core with a >> wicked-sharp edge. But maybe if her mother and younger siblings aren't >> struggling to keep groceries in the fridge and the fridge running then >> maybe she can mature into something a little kinder-gentler. Or maybe she >> already has, but it is hard to recognize when the only interface she has is >> a regular stop-and-frisking? I think we do see a record of mellowing among >> aging hard-cores who survive long enough to become elders in their >> communities? >> >> I think Jon?s suggestion that private security will fill the vacuum is >> also valid. More people will gate their communities and more gated >> communities will add uniformed patrols and more uniformed patrols will add >> lethal weapons and training. The next George Floyd might be your massage >> therapist who made the mistake of making house-calls to your gated >> community while black/brown/yellow/red/poor and the next Chauvin & Co will >> be guys who couldn't even get IN to the police academy but COULD buy >> mirror-shades, a loaded up batman utility belt, matching chromed .45s with >> shoulder holsters, an Armalite 15 and a riot-style shotgun (but not rubber >> nor armor-piercing rounds, those are for law-enforcement-only) to carry in >> their ominously painted and hopped up SUV with run flat tires, a >> push-bumper, blinky lights and a siren. And that tricked out rig, >> security "professional" included, will cost a fraction of what a *real* law >> enforcement officer would BECAUSE of the lack of >> oversight/training/benefits, etc. A new branch: UBERArmed? >> >> The above is mildy (but not entirely) the maunderings of a >> frustrated/unexpressed cyberpunk novelist (me)... but oddly not that far >> away in "some Adjacent Possible"? >> >> Personally, I'm more interested in how to use this Svaha/Liminal moment >> to "Visualize World Peace"? And what is in *that* adjacent possible >> (ensemble)? There is value to a Red-Team/Blue-Team analysis in these >> situations, and I think *both* are necessary. Awfulizing isn't the only >> thing to be doing right now. Things are shifting, vacuums are created, >> playing-fields are being re-leveled... are there opportunities to "do the >> right thing", or is "the right thing" so subjective that we will simply >> "move the noise around"? I identify as a humanist... I don't even know if >> that means what it used to (to others) or if I'm in anything like a "silent >> majority" in that identification. Maybe the Anarchists and Libertarians >> and Radical Progressives and Radical Conservatives and ??? all think THEY >> are humanists. Or maybe it's a bad word to them? I certainly remember >> my self-righteous Catholic M-in-Law spitting the words "*Secular >> Humanist*" as if they were acid, leaving smoking, corroding spots >> everywhere they landed. >> >> - Steve >> >> >> >> On 6/10/20 11:17 AM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: >> >> We have evidence of it, here: >> >> Olympia police unions respond to photo of officer posing with armed >> menhttps://www.theolympian.com/news/local/article243401061.html >> >> FWIW, I think our mayor is wrong. The 3% sign isn't the OK sign, regardless >> of whether any supremacists actually use the OK sign or not. But like any >> tone deaf marketing message, if the symbol you adopt is *thought* to be a >> racist symbol, then you should go ahead and change it. Just stop flying the >> confederate flag even if it's been on your state flag for your whole life >> ... just stop using the swastika even if you're (East) Indian or Native >> American. >> >> But what does lend truth to the accusations leveled against the 3% is the >> lack of a public statement condemning Trump for violating the constitution >> in clearing St John's. If they exist to use their piddly little guns to >> protect us from the government, where were they then? Perhaps they are only >> interested in protecting a particular class of people? ... or only people >> with whom they agree politically? >> >> As for the cop in the photo, she should at least be suspended for her stupid >> mistake. Don't pose with with a bunch of dudes standing in a parking lot >> with guns. That's simply a stupid thing for a cop (or any professional) to >> do. And if you must do it, take off your uniform first. >> >> >> On 6/10/20 9:51 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> I think the point is that are already not accountable. Protected by unions >> and colleagues who will look the other way, and a culture that accepts that >> certain people must consent to miserable lives. >> >> >> On 6/10/20, 9:48 AM, "Friam on behalf of Prof David West" >> <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> >> <[email protected][email protected]> wrote: >> >> downside is the private militias that Jon mentioned. just like the >> military that replaces soldiers with private contractors - to whom are the >> latter accountable? >> On 6/9/20 4:28 PM, Jon Zingale wrote: >> >> 1. Will the efforts to defund the police eventually meet with efforts >> to build private militias? Will the future of policing in this country >> follow a path similar to the shift from public to private postal service? >> If so, what will accountability be? >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> > > > -- > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy > emergentdiplomacy.org > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > [email protected] <[email protected]> > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merle.lelfkoff2 > twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918
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