> Steve, > > > > Did you hear the interview with the nice young man who thought that we > should suspend the constitution for the next 20 years and let the > Trump family handle things. It was said completely guilelessly. > > > > Nick > This was Roger's Rant, (Rave, more apropos?) not mine, though I do approve/endorse it. Am I that much of a chameleon that you mistook his voice for mine?
-Steve > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2020 11:29 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Biden beats Trump > > > > My generous read is that the Trump enablers are allowing Trump to rage > for a while, let the lawsuits demonstrate their pointlessness, let him > fiddle with the government pointlessly, and hope that he'll come up > with a suitably Trumpian way to concede while not conceding, probably > a grandiose resignation. Arguing with him about this is clearly a one > way ticket to his shit list, and having watched him rally so many > voters to his candidacy they are loathe to give even the least hint of > abandoning him. The TV networks taking his rants about fraud off the > air probably discourages him more than anything else. Maybe we > should offer to throw him a state funeral -- with tanks and flyovers > -- for the end of his term? And promise that everyone will say it had > better ratings than the Biden inauguration? > > > > The exit polls heard that 34% of voters voted the economy, On TV I > saw a black business woman from North Carolina say her vote for Trump > was about the way he was making it easier for her business to > succeed. Then I heard a young latino from Florida say his vote was > against the democrat socialist tendencies. I listened to a neighbor > from the projects, who actually voted Biden, rant about the evil of a > welfare system that has institutionalized single motherhood as a > career and intergenerational family tradition. These aren't the > typical voices of Trump's base, these are traditional Republican > issues: government regulations hurt business; you can't fix the world > by telling it to be better, no matter what penalties; the best > intentions can have unintended consequences worse than the original > disease. These people weren't voting for rascism, misogyny, > narcissism, authoritarianism, xenophobia, gimp shaming, science > denialism, or all that other baggage, they were overlooking it for > reasons. > > > > It might be my own fantasy, but I think a majority of Americans do not > disagree about the ends. They would prefer an equitable society where > none of the usual suspects biased any one person's pursuit of > happiness in life. They would prefer to live in a world where > environmental disasters large and small were not lurking around every > turn of the season. They would prefer if the rest of the world > enjoyed the prosperity and freedom that we have here. But there is a > disagreement about the means to these ends that's been a > Democrat/Republican talking point for almost a hundred years now. > > > > I think the Democrats and Progressives need to eviscerate the Trump > coalition by persuading the rational part of Trump's vote that it > doesn't need hold their nose and vote for Trump to be heard. Well, I > guess they did have to, but they won't have to in the future. That > will be an interesting feat of bipartisanship if Biden can pull it > off. Call it the New Way Forward. > > > > -- rec -- > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM David Eric Smith <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Yes, much agreed Glen. > > I am getting to the point where something combining tedium and > stress-narcolepsy puts me to sleep, wading through more newspaper > articles saying in (performative?) outrage: McConnell has just > said this self-contradictory and hypocritical thing! How could > he! How can his supporters not recognize this! etc. > > Yes. And Duterte and MBS have just had some more people killed, > and Putin has poisoned somebody else. They will cease to do this > when they are stopped, and not before. Their followers and > collaborators too. So what’s the plan? > > Will be interesting if trump is firing people at DOD, in the > Pentagon, etc., because he wants, together with Pompeo and Barr, > to try some military move against either the US public, or some > other country to create some leverage situation against the US > public. My mind doesn’t work in a way that recognizes what might > be appealing to them to try in that arena. > > Best, so to speak, > > Eric > > > > On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:07 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Yep. The other thread talking about uniting us in the face of > polarization seem to miss this point. One pundit expressed it well > "You don't seek unity with your abuser." As Barr and a host of > Republicans, including McConnell > > <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html > > <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/republicans-trump-concede-2020-election.html>>, > continue to hypocritically undermine the electoral process, any > attempt to "unite" with them is akin to co-dependency with a > narcissist spouse. > > > > *After* the dust settles, Biden has no choice but to wrangle and > hog-tie the bad faith actors into productive behavior. But until > then, everyone who continues making unsubstantiated claims of > fraud should be seen as what they are. Skepticism is a good > mistress, but a bad master. > > > > On 11/9/20 5:09 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: > >> Those with access to Georgia TV stations can watch David Perdue > and Kelly Loeffler make a pack and attack Raffensperger, or > whatever his name is — the election commissioner — because he ran > an actually remarkably competent and clean election, rather than > stealing it for them. Pretty transparent. > >> > >> I was impressed and thought he deserved a lot of credit. 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