One of the senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh once said to my wife that nothing is sadder than the last act of a narcissist.
"Act" as a metaphor for part of a play. I will be interested to learn whether I will have empathy for Trump during his last act. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 3:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > The feeling must at least be bounded – it is simulated and controlled. > One is trying to get the upper hand. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:36 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > It states that making a connection by showing the target empathy is a > great way to get past defenses and obtain more credible information than > torture — and it said this long before CIA idiots decided that > waterboarding was the way to go. > > > > davew > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, at 1:21 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I wonder what the cia handbook says about empathy during interrogation. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:41 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > If the CIA builds up a dossier on the foibles of a foreign leader and > possible ways to manipulate that leader, I would not call that empathy. > Can one get in the skin of another without feeling their pain or validating > it? I think one certainly can, and that it can be better to do that in > many situations. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * > [email protected] > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:29 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Does seeing imply visual vulnerability? Hearing imply auditory > vulnerability? Well, I suppose. Any time we make ourselves open to > information, I suppose we are in some sense vulnerable. But aren’t we also > impowered? Feelings only make one vulnerable if one fails to process them. > > > > N > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:03 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > A problem with empathy is that it typically understood to be a > “feeling”. Feeling means offering vulnerability. The class of people > we are discussing should not be offered that. They should be shown, in a > calm and steady manner, to a bland government bus after the empathy value > is firmly in the off position. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * > [email protected] > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:51 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Well, I hate to shortcut a perfectly good argument, but I think, now, we > agree. If you concede that empathy is a form of perception whose value as > information cannot be denied, I can readily agree that so focusing on one’s > empathy as to avoid all other sources of information is dangerous and > stupid *and cloying. * > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:39 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Sure, I use my eyes and visual cortex to judge the speed of an oncoming > car. But I shouldn’t model that last fractions of a second before impact > in luxurious detail. That’s suicidal. I should step on the brakes or the > gas to avoid the collision. That’s what all this empathy talk strikes me > as – giving dangerous people so many mental cycles that they do collide > into you. Wringing ones hands before victimization is complete. No, > take the mental cycles and develop some tactics and strategy for preventing > these people from being dangerous. > > > > I only mention Ted Cruz because he seems a slightly interesting person, in > a sort of satanic way. Most of the others are mad dogs as far as I am > concerned. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * > [email protected] > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:30 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Marcus, > > > > You could not have written what you wrote here, with it’s searing > pointedness, without empathy. Empathy is not an ideology; is an organ of > perception. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:05 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > The prior reflections by Glen on young adulthood makes me wonder about > Ted’s. Was there a particular point at which he decided to be a public > person and that he realized he could find an angle in any situation? Did > he anticipate what his life would become, or did he just fall into it? > Sometimes it seems like he doesn’t even enjoy it. It seems there is no > objective distance he gets from his nihilism. There’s just always the next > thing he has to do. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * > [email protected] > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 8:53 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > [email protected]> > > *Subject:* [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Bret Stephens, a NYT columnist, described Ted Cruz as “a serpent covered > in Vaseline” . 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