Kinda like the villain in a melodrama that spends the entire "last act" dying dramatically.
On 1/7/21 3:57 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > One of the senior psychoanalysts in Pittsburgh once said to my wife > that nothing is sadder than the last act of a narcissist. > > "Act" as a metaphor for part of a play. I will be interested to learn > whether I will have empathy for Trump during his last act. > > Frank > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 3:40 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > The feeling must at least be bounded – it is simulated and > controlled. One is trying to get the upper hand. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:36 PM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > It states that making a connection by showing the target empathy > is a great way to get past defenses and obtain more credible > information than torture — and it said this long before CIA idiots > decided that waterboarding was the way to go. > > > > davew > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, at 1:21 PM, [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > I wonder what the cia handbook says about empathy during > interrogation. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:41 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > If the CIA builds up a dossier on the foibles of a foreign > leader and possible ways to manipulate that leader, I would > not call that empathy. Can one get in the skin of another > without feeling their pain or validating it? I think one > certainly can, and that it can be better to do that in many > situations. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of > *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:29 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Does seeing imply visual vulnerability? Hearing imply > auditory vulnerability? Well, I suppose. Any time we make > ourselves open to information, I suppose we are in some sense > vulnerable. But aren’t we also impowered? Feelings only make > one vulnerable if one fails to process them. > > > > N > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:03 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > A problem with empathy is that it typically understood to be a > “feeling”. Feeling means offering vulnerability. The > class of people we are discussing should not be offered > that. They should be shown, in a calm and steady manner, to > a bland government bus after the empathy value is firmly in > the off position. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of > *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:51 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Well, I hate to shortcut a perfectly good argument, but I > think, now, we agree. If you concede that empathy is a form > of perception whose value as information cannot be denied, I > can readily agree that so focusing on one’s empathy as to > avoid all other sources of information is dangerous and > stupid /and cloying. / > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:39 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Sure, I use my eyes and visual cortex to judge the speed of an > oncoming car. But I shouldn’t model that last fractions of a > second before impact in luxurious detail. That’s suicidal. I > should step on the brakes or the gas to avoid the collision. > That’s what all this empathy talk strikes me as – giving > dangerous people so many mental cycles that they do collide > into you. Wringing ones hands before victimization is > complete. No, take the mental cycles and develop some tactics > and strategy for preventing these people from being dangerous. > > > > I only mention Ted Cruz because he seems a slightly > interesting person, in a sort of satanic way. Most of the > others are mad dogs as far as I am concerned. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of > *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:30 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Marcus, > > > > You could not have written what you wrote here, with it’s > searing pointedness, without empathy. Empathy is not an > ideology; is an organ of perception. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 11:05 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > The prior reflections by Glen on young adulthood makes me > wonder about Ted’s. Was there a particular point at which he > decided to be a public person and that he realized he could > find an angle in any situation? Did he anticipate what his > life would become, or did he just fall into it? Sometimes it > seems like he doesn’t even enjoy it. It seems there is no > objective distance he gets from his nihilism. There’s just > always the next thing he has to do. > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of > *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 8:53 AM > > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > *Subject:* [FRIAM] the power of metaphor. > > > > Bret Stephens, a NYT columnist, described Ted Cruz as “a > serpent covered in Vaseline” . Will I ever get that image out > of my head? > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > > > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/> > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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