I grew up next to an industrial-scale egg farm where chickens live in small cubes for one purpose only. Even that is something to behold. I would think there ought to at least be a way to genetically engineer their brains to have no self-awareness, and at so most can perform random walks to maintain muscle tone. I find shows like Anthony Bourdain and Stanley Tucci kind of horrible. I'm not a vegan, but at least I'm not proud of not being one.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 3:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] great man theory Renee' and I were talking about that the other day, actually. An assembly line of chickens, their throats being slit as they slide by hanging from their feet, seems like abuse. Grandma wringing the neck of a relatively happy chicken per holiday or per week so that the family can have some protein does not. But that intuitive difference in scale doesn't work, at all, with a civilization as dense and connected as ours. E.g. following along with the idea that single-use plastic bags are arguably better for the planet than, say, single use paper bags ... a utilitarian might suggest that *temporary* assembly line death machines for chickens, by fueling the minds of billions of humans, some of whom will be geniuses, gets us to another attractor where all humans and chickens can be treated as ends in themselves. Billions of years with lots of comfy chickens and no death machines, outweighs several hundred years with death machines for chickens. Swap "chicken" and "human" and you might be canceled. >8^D But as difficult as the above rhetoric is to accept, it's more difficult to believe there would be enough genius chickens to lift us off this attractor. On 3/12/21 2:59 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The dehumanization that is learned or decided seems different from the > dehumanization that is trained. I can't make much sense of farm life, in > retrospect. What's the pecking order for use and abuse of animals? -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
