Earlier, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ said: If we're stuck with capitalism, then I'm for UBI. If we can get out from under capitalism, then I'm not. Nick added: it is the "triumph" of capitalism to reduce all relationships to money.
I wonder if this is not assuming that there is an alternative to what you are calling *capitalism*. As uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ points out, co-ops can work on relatively small scales, but if we are going to live in groups of larger than ~150 people, how are you imagining that we will arrange interactions without something like money? Even on small scales, how will a collective without money organize itself in anything other than a very static structure? And on larger scales, what is the organizing principle other than power? It's not clear to me how an alternative that uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ is supposing possible will actually work. uǝlƃ ↙↙↙, would you mind elaborating what you have in mind? -- Russ Abbott On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:17 PM jon zingale <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, I think it is safe to say that "huge costs" are a sign of progress in > the same sense that smoke is a sign of fire. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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