Yeah, both social media posts *and* poetry are a low bar. Machine generated prose is more difficult, I expect. There are good examples from GPT3. But I don't know of any other algorithm that does a decent job. So I doubt the same techniques Gabriel uses to generate poetry and social media posts would work to generate *some* of our postings, particularly the long-winded amongst us.
My own play with MegaHAL generated obvious garbage. On 9/1/21 10:25 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Richard Gabriel has created software that can generate poetry in the style of > any poet. It also generates poetry that passes the Turing test in that > experts are unable to distinguish between machine generated poetry and human > generated poetry. He demoed this at an annual meeting of poets at Warren > Wilson College (where Richard got his MFA). > > I am certain he could use his program to create FRIAM posts that could > emulate any of us. > > He also, for IBM on a DoD contract, created a NL program that monitored > social media posts, detected those deemed inimical to government interests > (e.g setting up a flash mob to protest the visit of a political personage), > and generate counter postings (e.g., moving the mob to a pig farm instead of > the county court house because "inside sources" confirm the personage changed > her itinerary). > > Of course social media postings create a pretty low bar for an AI to be > convincing. > > davew > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> If we collected years of FRIAM archives and train it with a recycle GAN, I >> think it would probably be possible to generate plausible sentences of each >> other. To the extent we pay attention to what we say at all; so it might >> not be the hard to fake really. I think we could get the basic intent of >> all the regulars, if not the details of their writing (which the GAN would >> get). I’ve often wished for a ML avatar that could stand in for me on Zoom >> meetings, so I could go play with my dog or go running or whatever. >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of >> *[email protected] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 9:21 AM >> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning >> >> >> >> Would I pass the turing test if I could, by my emails, convince you that I >> was Dave? >> >> >> >> Or is that just the dave Test. Would I pass the Turing test if I could >> convince you that I was Turing? >> >> >> >> Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men! >> >> >> >> n >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:26 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning >> >> >> >> I’m already convinced Dave is bot. I know I am. >> >> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2021/08/dead-internet-theory-wrong-but-feels-true/619937/ >> >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2021/08/dead-internet-theory-wrong-but-feels-true/619937/> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:23 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning >> >> >> >> Culture is online now, didn’t you hear? >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:12 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning >> >> >> >> Glen quoted BC Smith: >> >> >> >> /"What does all this mean in the case of AIs and computer systems generally? >> Perhaps at least this: that it is hard to see how synthetic systems could be >> trained in the ways of judgment except by gradually, incrementally, and >> systematically enmeshed in normative practices that engage with the world >> and that involve thick engagement with teachers ('elders'), who can steadily >> develop and inculcate not just 'moral sensibility' but also intellectual >> appreciation of intentional commitment to the world."/ >> >> >> >> I read from (or into) this statement a position I have held via AI since I >> did my masters thesis in CS (AI) — computers cannot be intelligent in any >> general sense until and unless they participate in human culture. We >> automatically and non-consciously "enculturate" (normative practices that >> engage the world and involve thick engagement) our children. >> >> >> >> This is NOT education. Education is nothing more than a pale shadow of >> enculturation. Not more than 10% of the 'knowledge' in your head (knowledge >> about what to do and why and when and variations according to circumstance >> and context ....) was learned via any kind of formal education or training >> and yet it is absolutely essential and is the foundation for comprehending >> and utilizing the 10% you did learn formally. >> >> >> >> Until we can enculturate our computers, we will never achieve general AI (or >> even any complete specialized AI. >> >> >> >> davew >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, at 8:28 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >> >> > >> >> > UK judge orders rightwing extremist to read classic literature or face >> >> > prison >> >> > >> >https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/01/judge-orders-rightwing-extremist-to-read-classic-literature-or-face-prison >> > >> ><https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/01/judge-orders-rightwing-extremist-to-read-classic-literature-or-face-prison> >> >> > >> >> > I know several liberals who agree with the righties that vaccine and >> >> > mask mandates are bad, though not for the same reasons. Righties yap >> >> > about fascism and limits to their "freedom". But the liberals talk >> >> > about how mandates just push the righties further into their foxholes, >> >> > preventing collegial conversation. >> >> > >> >> > So the story above is an interesting situation in similar style. >> >> > Renee', to this day, hates Shakespeare because she was forced to >> >> > memorize Romeo and Juliet as a kid. Of course, she doesn't hate >> >> > Shakespeare, because she hasn't read much Shakespeare. She just >> >> > *thinks* she hates it because of this "mandate" she suffered under. >> >> > This court mandated "literature therapy" being imposed on this kid >> >> > could work, if he can read it sympathetically. But if he can't, if he >> >> > simply reads it "syntactically", what will he learn? >> >> > >> >> > BC Smith, in his book "The Promise of AI", channels Steels & Brooks [ψ] >> >> > in writing: >> >> > >> >> > "What does all this mean in the case of AIs and computer systems >> >> > generally? Perhaps at least this: that it is hard to see how synthetic >> >> > systems could be trained in the ways of judgment except by gradually, >> >> > incrementally, and systematically enmeshed in normative practices that >> >> > engage with the world and that involve thick engagement with teachers >> >> > ('elders'), who can steadily develop and inculcate not just 'moral >> >> > sensibility' but also intellectual appreciation of intentional >> >> > commitment to the world." >> >> > >> >> > If we think of this kid, Ben John, as an AI, what will he learn by >> >> > mandating he read Dickens? Similarly, what are the mandate protesters >> >> > learning from our mandates? Stupidity should be painful. And the >> >> > court's reaction to this kid's stupidity, the pain of reading Pride and >> >> > Prejudice, should teach that kid something. But which is the more >> >> > dangerous stupidity? Which stupidity runs the risk of a more >> >> > catastrophic outcome? Avoiding the vaccine? Or mandating vaccination? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [ψ] https://doi.org/10.4324/9781351001885 >> > <https://doi.org/10.4324/9781351001885> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > ☤>$ uǝlƃ >> -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
